Help absolute beginner with sub interior creation

08-05-14, 02:16 AM

sounds good. i am working on an interior for the Los Angeles SSN. ps what about your borei? i can show you how to do this with milkshape.

Pistitom · 08-05-14, 02:25 AM

Well, my ultimate goal was a full exterior-interior all in one model , but for now I'd be happy with just the exterior. The problem is I couldn't figure out the intersection and combination of the tubes and the hole in the hull. If I just cut a simple circle shaped hole in the hull, it's diameter won't be the same as the torpedo's , obviously, since it's not vertical, thus distorted. I couldn't figure out the way to connect the tube properly with the hole. I found some boolean loop-draw kind of tutorials on intersection of planes, etc, but I can't do it properly, it gets an ugly mess...:-D.
I use Wings 3d by the way.
thx for the quickest reply in forum history

08-05-14, 04:07 AM

hmm i use two ways to do so. the old one is to put the model to front view so i can see the bow directly, then i add a cylinder or whatever form of the tube door you want, position it in x and z axis and move every vertice towards the bow, until it is positioned upon the surface. then i select the two neighbouring verices of the bow shape and an edge vertice of the tubedoor and create a new triangle. when it is done, i smooth the surface by unwelding the tube and the bow, this creates two objects and the penetrated bow schabe will need furter correction of the edges around the hole. or i simply add the boolean plugin in milkshape, create my 3-dimensinal tube and make it cut into the bow in the desired position, then i make a boolean operation that automatically cuts the hole which i just need to clean from surplus vertices afterwards.do not know how boolean is done in wings3d, but method one should work...
see

https://imageshack.com/a/utnz/1

Pistitom · 08-05-14, 06:18 AM

I'm afraid my problem is a lot simpler than that...I can't get to cut a proper hole in the body of the sub, without it being ugly, and I don't know if that's ok...? I I could cut the hole, and weld the tube and body ( Hell, I'm not even sure if that's the correct way to do it...? or combine the two? I really am a beginner...

Pistitom · 08-05-14, 06:26 AM

Well, I think I just found what I was looking for....

http://www.wings3d.com/paulthepuzzles/aabridgeweld.html

08-05-14, 03:33 PM

jap thats it.however i cant get used to wings... nice model btw

Pistitom · 08-06-14, 04:21 AM

thanks, it's a long way from being finished....but I still have tons of questions...Let me just list the here, I beg for forgiveness, if these are already answered somewhere on the forum, it's just more simple for me this way...:-)
How many polygons should a sub model have ? Or it depends solely pc performance? ( for eg. SH 5 , You have interior+ exterior, how many polygons are there? )
Should I create the external model proportionate to real life? I mean 175 meters should be 175 wings3d units from the start, or I can just size up the hole model when I'm finished ? ( Why do I have the feeling this is a stupid question ? :-))
OK, that's just for now, but I'll be back..
Thank You very much for Your help, don't go too far

08-05-14, 04:07 AM	#3
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	hmm i use two ways to do so. the old one is to put the model to front view so i can see the bow directly, then i add a cylinder or whatever form of the tube door you want, position it in x and z axis and move every vertice towards the bow, until it is positioned upon the surface. then i select the two neighbouring verices of the bow shape and an edge vertice of the tubedoor and create a new triangle. when it is done, i smooth the surface by unwelding the tube and the bow, this creates two objects and the penetrated bow schabe will need furter correction of the edges around the hole. or i simply add the boolean plugin in milkshape, create my 3-dimensinal tube and make it cut into the bow in the desired position, then i make a boolean operation that automatically cuts the hole which i just need to clean from surplus vertices afterwards.do not know how boolean is done in wings3d, but method one should work... see https://imageshack.com/a/utnz/1 Last edited by jhapprich; 08-05-14 at 05:55 AM.

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08-05-14, 02:16 AM	#1
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	sounds good. i am working on an interior for the Los Angeles SSN. ps what about your borei? i can show you how to do this with milkshape.

08-05-14, 02:25 AM	#2
Pistitom A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 78 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Well, my ultimate goal was a full exterior-interior all in one model , but for now I'd be happy with just the exterior. The problem is I couldn't figure out the intersection and combination of the tubes and the hole in the hull. If I just cut a simple circle shaped hole in the hull, it's diameter won't be the same as the torpedo's , obviously, since it's not vertical, thus distorted. I couldn't figure out the way to connect the tube properly with the hole. I found some boolean loop-draw kind of tutorials on intersection of planes, etc, but I can't do it properly, it gets an ugly mess...:-D. I use Wings 3d by the way. thx for the quickest reply in forum history

08-05-14, 06:18 AM	#4
Pistitom A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 78 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	I'm afraid my problem is a lot simpler than that...I can't get to cut a proper hole in the body of the sub, without it being ugly, and I don't know if that's ok...? I I could cut the hole, and weld the tube and body ( Hell, I'm not even sure if that's the correct way to do it...? or combine the two? I really am a beginner...

08-05-14, 06:26 AM	#5
Pistitom A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 78 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Well, I think I just found what I was looking for.... http://www.wings3d.com/paulthepuzzles/aabridgeweld.html

08-05-14, 03:33 PM	#6
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	jap thats it.however i cant get used to wings... nice model btw

08-06-14, 04:21 AM	#7
Pistitom A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 78 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	thanks, it's a long way from being finished....but I still have tons of questions...Let me just list the here, I beg for forgiveness, if these are already answered somewhere on the forum, it's just more simple for me this way...:-) How many polygons should a sub model have ? Or it depends solely pc performance? ( for eg. SH 5 , You have interior+ exterior, how many polygons are there? ) Should I create the external model proportionate to real life? I mean 175 meters should be 175 wings3d units from the start, or I can just size up the hole model when I'm finished ? ( Why do I have the feeling this is a stupid question ? :-)) OK, that's just for now, but I'll be back.. Thank You very much for Your help, don't go too far