What if we had stood united with Hitler against Russia......

[August]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

Yes, this bit puzzles me in this 'what if' scenario.

It's likely that would happen but for some reason I am not so sure.

Hitler started his journey into madness out of sheer personal frustration. Remember the dude wanted to enter art school and felt miserable about the WW1 defeat.

Had he felt he was a succesful human being and Germany a leading proud country, his mental state and views might have changed for the better or at least made him seek different arrangements for the Jews, like move them to a remote inhospitable part of Europe or otherwise out of core-Germany possibly under strict rules. Not nice by any means, but beats a holocaust any day.

So yes, the fate of the Jews is the weakest part of the chain in this alternative history. It's thin line between hero (*) or zero.

Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon are generally admired for their achievements.

I disagree about Hitler. He had plenty to be proud of. His party brought the German nation back from the depths of a depression that was far worse than anything experienced in the US or anywhere else for that matter. He gave the German people back their pride lost after WW1 which was the key to the nazis success.

He could have stopped there without dragging the world into war and he would have accomplished far more than most national leaders in history ever did, but he didn't.

As for the Jews, i have never subscribed to the idea the holocaust happened because the war made it impossible to just send them away. Take the Ukranians for example. They were constantly murdered in wholesale lots in spite of the fact they would have been willing allies against the Soviets.

Like the Jews they were in the way and I believe it shows they and all other "sub race" of people would still have been eliminated. If anything I firmly believe the Nazis would have been far worse (if you can imagine that) without the war to inhibit their actions.