GWX can present some serious challenges!

banryu79 · 03-06-14, 08:43 AM

Nice and intresting story

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It was an exciting and challenging battle but I didn't live to tell the tale - returning to St Nazaire, I launched an attack on an armed ore carrier just off Cape Finnistere, I should have let it go because I had no torpedoes left and in an exchange of gunfire, where I thought I was getting the better of him, until a shell made a direct hit on my control room causing my boat to sink with all hands.

The more I read in the forum of this kind of experience the more I repeat to myself: "Rule #1 - Don't take unneccesary risks".

Leandros · 03-06-14, 09:06 AM

GJO: Cool - I have never experienced anything like this...

Fred

Aras · 03-06-14, 09:35 AM

Interesting. I was expecting the US Warship to attack you after the first torpedo hit the liner.

GJO · 03-06-14, 09:48 AM

I wasn't sure what the warship would do but in similar poor visibility situations I have been able to escape on the surface which is better than submerging and risking depth charges.

Today I have been researching real life situations and there were similar actions where American ships did everything possible to thwart a U Boat attack against a British ship except open fire or drop DCs.

maillemaker · 03-06-14, 11:16 AM

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The more I read in the forum of this kind of experience the more I repeat to myself: "Rule #1 - Don't take unneccesary risks".

Nah, rule #1 is Stay out of shallow water!

Rule #2 is don't take unnecessary risks.

But what is the fun in that?

Steve

GJO · 03-07-14, 03:31 AM

For anyone who wants to enjoy a similar experience with a combined British/American convoy escorted by an American warship, here is an extract from the course plot that I made at the time:

First contact at grid ET 49 77, date/time: June 11, 1941 1500 hrs; course NNW, speed approx. 6 knots - first visual approx 1515 hours.

Kielhauler1961 · 03-07-14, 04:00 AM

That sounds like an interesting encounter. One question - did the destroyer ever train it's guns on you or were they kept fore 'n' aft?

I imagine the US skipper was furious he didn't have the opportunity to open fire!

KH

TECHNICOLOR · 03-07-14, 04:07 AM

SH3 keeps on surprising me.Good job on the ocean liner.

banryu79 · 03-07-14, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by maillemaker

Nah, rule #1 is Stay out of shallow water!

Rule #2 is don't take unnecessary risks.

Steve

True but note however that your rule #1 is really a corollary of your rule #2

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But what is the fun in that?

Yes, of course, so we should have two different set of rules: one for surviving and coming home, and the other to have great fun

Paulebaer1979 · 03-07-14, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Aras

Interesting. I was expecting the US Warship to attack you after the first torpedo hit the liner.

In my opinion GJO in this situation was allowed to attak all ships of the convoy. Because the ruls of engagement tell us, that an enemy ship is always allowed to attak us and we are always allowed to attak it. If neutral ships are combinied with enemy ships to a convoy, they are all enemy. Neutral ships have to show their neutralilty by showing flags, nautical lights and so on. If they don´t do that and are in convoy with an enemy they are just nice targets.

Every time i spot an enemy ship, i attak (deck gun if possible - otherwile dive for torps) or dive and hide. Running away with high speed is the last way out (if the enemy is slow or water to shallow), because if i get spotted the enemy ship is able to ask for help from the next airbase, anti-sub-group or aircraft-carrier.

GJO · 03-07-14, 09:25 AM

I think that in the game, a neutral warship will not attack unless you have attacked a neutral vessel within the last 24 hours. For this reason I figured that I was safe from attack and that proved correct. I am quite certain that any damage to one of the neutral ships would have brought a decisive response.

Paulebaer1979 · 03-07-14, 10:48 AM

Yes that´s right. Neutral warships won´t attack you unless you attacked a neutral ship.

In your situation with an enemy ship inside a neutral convoy the neutral ships are not allowed to attack you first but they are allowed to reattack you. But i think that´s very tricky to get inside the programm-code.

03-06-14, 09:35 AM	#3
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03-06-14, 09:06 AM	#2
Leandros Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 676 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	GJO: Cool - I have never experienced anything like this... Fred __________________ www.fredleander.com - look in to see my new book on Operation Sea Lion "Saving MacArthur" - a book series on how The Philippines were saved Last edited by Leandros; 03-06-14 at 11:39 AM.

03-06-14, 09:48 AM	#4
GJO Engineer Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: On the Oxford Canal in England Posts: 202 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I wasn't sure what the warship would do but in similar poor visibility situations I have been able to escape on the surface which is better than submerging and risking depth charges. Today I have been researching real life situations and there were similar actions where American ships did everything possible to thwart a U Boat attack against a British ship except open fire or drop DCs.

03-07-14, 03:31 AM	#6
GJO Engineer Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: On the Oxford Canal in England Posts: 202 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	For anyone who wants to enjoy a similar experience with a combined British/American convoy escorted by an American warship, here is an extract from the course plot that I made at the time: First contact at grid ET 49 77, date/time: June 11, 1941 1500 hrs; course NNW, speed approx. 6 knots - first visual approx 1515 hours.

03-07-14, 04:00 AM	#7
Kielhauler1961 中国水兵 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East of the Firth of Forth Posts: 273 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	That sounds like an interesting encounter. One question - did the destroyer ever train it's guns on you or were they kept fore 'n' aft? I imagine the US skipper was furious he didn't have the opportunity to open fire! KH

03-07-14, 04:07 AM	#8
TECHNICOLOR Sailor man Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Romania,Near the Danube Posts: 49 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	SH3 keeps on surprising me.Good job on the ocean liner.

03-07-14, 09:25 AM	#11
GJO Engineer Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: On the Oxford Canal in England Posts: 202 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I think that in the game, a neutral warship will not attack unless you have attacked a neutral vessel within the last 24 hours. For this reason I figured that I was safe from attack and that proved correct. I am quite certain that any damage to one of the neutral ships would have brought a decisive response.

03-07-14, 10:48 AM	#12
Paulebaer1979 Planesman Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 185 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Yes that´s right. Neutral warships won´t attack you unless you attacked a neutral ship. In your situation with an enemy ship inside a neutral convoy the neutral ships are not allowed to attack you first but they are allowed to reattack you. But i think that´s very tricky to get inside the programm-code.