Obama’s Path From Critic to Overseer of Spying

[Admiral Lutjens]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Watch it? I own a copy. At the same time I'm loving it I also find myself complaining about the things they left out, most of which was so as not to confuse the audience.

Adams a Federalist? Don't tell Hamilton that. By the standards of wanting the Constitution passed, Washington was a federalist (small 'f'), as was Madison. Hamilton supported Adams mainly to keep Jefferson, whom he hated, at bay. Adams accepted Federalist aid, but once in office he was quite independent. Once Adams did things Hamilton didn't like, Adams was suddenly no more Federalist than Washington or Jefferson.


Fair enough. I don't like Obama myself, but when I see people blaming him for anything and everything I just have to say something.


Ultra Liberals hate the Tea Party because at heart the party is still quite conservative. Hardcore Republicans hate the tea party because the party is stealing some of their thunder. That seems fairly obvious to me. Both sides hate the fact that there is a third party which has actually gained some momentum. That's the status quo that's really being disrupted, and most of us are resistant to change.

The bad news for the Tea Party is that they really aren't organized or centralized. This makes it easy for the party's fringe elements to engage in questionable activities, and it makes it easy for opponents to blame those activities on the party itself.


Possibly, but the losing side of every election for the past two hundred years has said the same thing.

I didn't know much about Adams until watching the series really sparked my interest in him. The feuds between those men are very entertaining to read about. With Aaron Burr right in the thick of things too.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Admiral Lutjens

I didn't know much about Adams until watching the series really sparked my interest in him. The feuds between those men are very entertaining to read about. With Aaron Burr right in the thick of things too.

Those guys (all of them) have always been a particular favorite subject of mine. My favorite part of the series was Laura Linney's portrayal of Abigail. Of course there wasn't an actor in the show I didn't like. Have you seen the old George Washington miniseries with Barry Bostwick and Patty Duke. It has some flaws, and it has a completely different flavor than John Adams, but it is well worth seeing. Also there's Sally Hemings: An American Scandal, which takes some extreme historical liberties and speculates quite a bit, but in my estimation Sam Neill gives the best characterization of Jefferson ever, which makes it well worth seeing. It also has Mario van Peebles as James Hemings, Rene Auberjonois as James Callender and Mare Winningham as Jefferson's daughter Martha. Overall worth seeing.