no more pullups for female US marines

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Assume otherwise! As in a previous post: in Central Park NY my trusty Colt's Trooper kept a mugger encounter cordial. The mugger's shock at seeing anyone armed in the big apple was genuine...but he moved on to easier pickings. Another state senator's son was killed outright in front of my post in SF. I and my nephews(one got mugged in DC) never carry cash in the wallet to begin with; that goes on a money clip to be a 'throwdown' to the bandit(a little more than $5.00) so he doesn't get pissed. This saves you the trouble of re-documenting everything from your driver license to your credit cards and/or your social security card (which shouldn't be in the wallet to begin with) but often is. It won't be a knife but a Sat. night special to the gut...and don't have an expensive 'William-Henry Money' clip either, just a cheapo and $20.00+- so the bad guy doesn't get pissed and off ya' for spite. Von C rule # 3: Never count on yer drug-crazed mugger doing what your plan calls for him to do...'cause he won't! In his mind you're thoroughly expendable and his needs are not! I'm 62 with one .380 in the thigh(shattered) and I never make the same mistake twice. Don't learn from your mistakes, learn from others...mine; it saves ya' energy, pain and misery.

Fair enough.

That's why I say it depends on the situation I guess.

Actually understood that post. Achievement Unlocked.

[MH]

This ^

I just can't see many women being able to hump the loads these guys do on a regular basis.

Because most likely you never done it.
Those guys do this stuff for a reason but im sure they don't do it on regular basis certainly not when going into combat....and if they do the wight is reasonable.

Yes you need strong legs and back ....and you would feel like mule under strain doing it - where again mule like state of mind/stamina comes to play.
Something you acquire with time together with strong legs and resistant back regardless you being able to do three pull ups at first day of boot camp.

Normally you don't want to haul too much stuff for too long.
It can cause you to become cripple before seeing any combat in particular when having strong motivation and going on regardless of your body breaking apart.

[Schroeder]

What also makes me wonder is, do they lower the limits in order to get politically correct or can't they fill their ranks otherwise?

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Because most likely you never done it.

I've done my share of ruck marches MH. Maybe it's different for Israeli conscript but in the US Army during my day, 80lb packs plus weapon and ammo for a dozen or so miles was quite common. And yes many of us pay the price for it to this day.

[antikristuseke]

Ruck marches were "fun" but have very little to do with physical strength as such, I is more down to endurance, both mental and physical. But that is neither here or there really, as others have said, physical requiredments are there for a reason, you either exceed them or you are out.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

I've done my share of ruck marches MH. Maybe it's different for Israeli conscript but in the US Army during my day, 80lb packs plus weapon and ammo for a dozen or so miles was quite common. And yes many of us pay the price for it to this day.

Cool then...
As said above it is very much about endurance and overall physical condition solder aquarius with time.
The marches for example may get progressively longer with time...if we are into this march issue.
I remember my first short one with some basic equipment , i thought i would die.

I dont say that physical test are not necessary regarding overall health yet getting dramatical about three pull ups is nonsense.

One thing is clear , women training should be approached bit differently ... consider that sometimes there may be number of ways to arrive at similar results.

If this is worthwhile for the military i don't know yet a lot of women believe that they can do it and should do it...so let stubborn ones have some.

Originally Posted by MH

One thing is clear , women training should be approached bit differently ...

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!

[MH]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!

All soldiers would pull through same crap but the physical load pace , at least at the beginning might need to be a bit slower.
Things could still be nasty enough.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Naturally, but were not talkin' GOOSESTEPPIN' with the pack here!

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, it is not clear. As a former drill instructor, I completely disagree.

Every soldier has to pull through the same crap. Can't make it? Bummer, get back to your ki... last job then!

Ah, Beast Master!

I wouldn't have a problem with GI Jane in my foxhole. I had female drills in A school and I wouldn't sell them short, especially when they can murder you during morning PT. Same for the girls in the company.
As for the Marines, I think that duty should be mostly all male. Females welcome if they can meet the same standards. Any exception puts people at risk.

[Armistead]

Who wouldn't mind a female marine in your foxhole during war, far away from home, impending death possible.......if you and a male marine finally ran out of bullets, not much you can do, a female in the hole, least you can pass the time until you're captured.