Eu a upcoming federation

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

According to several Danish newspapers and some politicians I follow on Facebook, there are persistent rumors in the EU. These rumors, says that the EU will become a federal State following the elections to the European Parliament in 2014.

Rumours .. in the EU On Facebook ?


What is true is that the self-determination of the nations had to diminish, would there be a pan-european government at some point.

But in Germany we don't care. We have no constitution being passed by the german people, but only the provisional 'Grundgesetz' from 1948. Thus we are used to being pushed around, and having to deliver all to our western masters errr friends

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Rumours .. in the EU On Facebook ?


What is true is that the self-determination of the nations has diminish, when there would be a pan-european government.

But in Germany we don't care. We have no constitution being passed by the german people, but only the provisional 'Grundgesetz' from 1948. Thus we are used to being pushed around, and having to deliver all to our western masters errr friends

Those days are long gone and rightfully so.

[Skybird]

Jim,

regional independence movements are growing everywhere in Europe. Never before was the EU met with so much disgust and antipathy like today. The Euro is unable to surivive and succeed, it will collapse. The closer the final act of the EU, the more bitter and sharper the conflict between the people will become. We can already see it happening. Those being bailed out the most criticize the loudest. In the end, everybody will only be angrily trying to hide his own lies and failings and weaknesses over which he feels so miserable. It's one of the bad human traits: we accuse others over our own failures. We break a glass in the kitchen - and start a mental argument with somebody in our heads.

Catfish,

the German citizens' understanding of what states are, is unique in Europe, and I would add: uniquely misled. It's a bit more complex than just: the EU grows, so national states must decline.

I think I set it up before somewhere, not sure, but anyway, i do it again. This text, a book excerpt, gives some historic background reflection on Germans' political attitude. I find it extremely hard to overestimate the importance of what it says. It is in GERMAN LANGUAGE.

LINK

A highly, highly recommendable book, btw. History in the first half, pure dynamite in the second.