US ambassador to Germany hauled over the coals over Merkel spying allegations

TarJak · 10-28-13, 04:50 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-2...eports/5051220

Spain is the next to jump up and down about the same thing.

TarJak · 10-29-13, 06:08 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-3...encies/5056534

We get tarred with the same brush.

The whole partisan political crap being spouted here is laughable. I don't think either party can claim any moral high ground here because the spying on allies has been going on since the dawn of time. BO has just been left standing when the music stopped.

Penguin · 10-29-13, 06:37 PM

Merkel can cry a big river of crocodile tears. The same woman who denied knowledge of Prism or the NSA or GCHQ surveiling German citizens suddenly cries wolf? Gimme a break.

Germany has always been on top of spying on its own citizens. In the 90s we already had nearly as many telephone surveillances as the US, with less than a third of its population. The difference is that the public here gets even less information about the scale of spying. An intelligence boss speaking in an open parliament session, like Keith Alexander did? Unthinkable in Germany. The plebs don't have to know anything.

The last numbers we got, were from 2010 when 37 million emails (out of an unknown monitored number n) were closer observed. They found "something" in whopping 213 cases, or 0.00058% - how many of those really lead to something usefull or arrests is also unknown.

Today we assume that about 20% of the email traffic in Germany get monitored. The same people who called the GDR an injust system, because it spied on its own citizens, are now fulfilling the wet dreams of the Stasi.

TarJak · 10-30-13, 03:00 AM

http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/26/i-c...32974095220739

This article is about a journo qho arranged a a personal pwn test by a white hat hacking firm. Interesting and scary.

Jimbuna · 10-30-13, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/26/i-c...32974095220739

This article is about a journo qho arranged a a personal pwn test by a white hat hacking firm. Interesting and scary.

Indeed

TarJak · 10-30-13, 01:59 PM

Merkel can probably blame her own security mob for not providing her with a secure mobile phone. But even if it was the BND were probably still recording and sharing the info with NSA anyway.

TarJak · 11-01-13, 07:59 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-0...riends/5063818

I think this commentary is spot on. How BO can claim ignorance of the activities of his government agencies is beyond me.

Merkel also cannot be so naive as to no know her spies are also spying on Germanys allies. I'm pretty sure our mob are checking out Indonesia and other countries in the region.

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10-28-13, 04:50 PM	#1
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-2...eports/5051220 Spain is the next to jump up and down about the same thing.

10-29-13, 06:08 PM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-3...encies/5056534 We get tarred with the same brush. The whole partisan political crap being spouted here is laughable. I don't think either party can claim any moral high ground here because the spying on allies has been going on since the dawn of time. BO has just been left standing when the music stopped.

10-29-13, 06:37 PM	#3
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Merkel can cry a big river of crocodile tears. The same woman who denied knowledge of Prism or the NSA or GCHQ surveiling German citizens suddenly cries wolf? Gimme a break. Germany has always been on top of spying on its own citizens. In the 90s we already had nearly as many telephone surveillances as the US, with less than a third of its population. The difference is that the public here gets even less information about the scale of spying. An intelligence boss speaking in an open parliament session, like Keith Alexander did? Unthinkable in Germany. The plebs don't have to know anything. The last numbers we got, were from 2010 when 37 million emails (out of an unknown monitored number n) were closer observed. They found "something" in whopping 213 cases, or 0.00058% - how many of those really lead to something usefull or arrests is also unknown. Today we assume that about 20% of the email traffic in Germany get monitored. The same people who called the GDR an injust system, because it spied on its own citizens, are now fulfilling the wet dreams of the Stasi.

10-30-13, 03:00 AM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/26/i-c...32974095220739 This article is about a journo qho arranged a a personal pwn test by a white hat hacking firm. Interesting and scary.

10-30-13, 01:59 PM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Merkel can probably blame her own security mob for not providing her with a secure mobile phone. But even if it was the BND were probably still recording and sharing the info with NSA anyway.

11-01-13, 07:59 PM	#7
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-0...riends/5063818 I think this commentary is spot on. How BO can claim ignorance of the activities of his government agencies is beyond me. Merkel also cannot be so naive as to no know her spies are also spying on Germanys allies. I'm pretty sure our mob are checking out Indonesia and other countries in the region.