I'm baaack

SilentOtto · 10-12-13, 05:31 PM

Danke schön!!

Red Devil · 10-14-13, 10:34 AM

me back too, been a while!

Red Devil · 10-14-13, 01:04 PM

I don't do 'u boats' - I will not sink my own ships.

US subs only I'm afraid.

SilentOtto · 10-15-13, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Devil

I don't do 'u boats' - I will not sink my own ships.

US subs only I'm afraid.

Er... I really hope you noticed the "sim" in subsim... no real ships involved!

Red Devil · 10-15-13, 05:53 PM

yeah I know but its the principle of the thing. I do a lot of WW2 research as a hobby and a hell of a lot on U Boats. I admire the bravery of the men who sailed in them. 75% of whom never came home. But, the line is drawn even on sims. In my research on the British Merchant Navy in WW2, I side with them poor souls.

Jimbuna · 10-17-13, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Devil

yeah I know but its the principle of the thing. I do a lot of WW2 research as a hobby and a hell of a lot on U Boats. I admire the bravery of the men who sailed in them. 75% of whom never came home. But, the line is drawn even on sims. In my research on the British Merchant Navy in WW2, I side with them poor souls.

Welcome back to the surface matey and a word of understanding about how so many feel.

My father lied about his age to join the MN and participated in the Spanish Civil war, he was also at Dunkirk, last ship to leave Marseille before it fell (RN having left the day before), only convoy to sail to Murmansk without an armed escort and Normandy amongst other places.

What angers me is the fact his bravery was never formally recognised by the UK government before he died yet he was awarded a from the Russian Ambassador in London well over twenty years ago.

Despite the above I play U-boat sims because I feel I can identify the difference between real life and computer games but that is not meant to take anything away from your feelings...we all deal with life in different ways.

Regards
Jimbuna

Red Devil · 10-17-13, 04:12 PM

Jimbuna

I sympathise completely. A former Army friend of mine was telling me recently about his trip to No 10 Downing Street, London, with his father. His dad was to receive a presentation from President Putin himself of a silver, bejewelled dagger and medal for his services in WW2 to Russia. It took organisations and Vets a long time to get the intransigent British Government to allow our brave Arctic sailors to be recognised by Russia for the deeds they suffered to get vital supplies to Murmansk and Archangel.

Politicians are so very slow to recognise the sacrifices undertaken by the past, for the future and it is very very sad.

Many sailors and others, of many nationalities, suffered the utlimate sacrifice in order that there was food on the table in Britain, ammunition in the rifles of allied soldiers and fuel for the ships and planes of the USAAF, Royal Air force and the Royal Navy.

I know that we enjoy simulations etc in todays modern 21st C technology but there is also the fact, the hard cold fact, that things may have been VERY different if it was not for the hardships, deaths, hunger and bewilderment of our parents in war time. There is a favourite saying here in the UK- they would turn in their graves if they could see what became of their ultimate sacrifice.

Red Devil · 10-16-13, 04:29 AM

May the force be with you!

My WW2 hero is Captain Walker RN who commanded a free ranging Hunter/Killer Group, the 2nd Support Group, and every U boat he found, he sank.

http://www.mikekemble.com/walker/windex.html

He died, of overwork induced thrombosis, in July 1944.

SilentOtto · 10-16-13, 10:06 AM

I respect your answer, and even more your not biting my bait (a bit trolly that was).

But I must say I'm sorry you, as a history buff (I know your awesome website) are missing some of the experience of "being there", aboard the most awesome submarine machines of those sad days. Since I don't have a deep personal involvement with WWII, I can enjoy the same playing a US pacific sub, or a german atlantic one, just thinking about the sim and strategic side in both cases.

Even so, I can understand your emotions perfectly. I have myself similar prejudices... I am from Spain, and in some historic battles themed in the Spanish Civil War, of games I played (like Steel Panthers World ar War, or some MOD of Call of Duty which I don't remember how it was called) I couldn't even _think_ about playing the Fascist Nationalist Franco's side, I loathe them so much. I always played the Republican side, in a probably infantile way of trying to put things "right" in my mind. I guess I can understand you that way.

So, all my respects to you, sir!

10-14-13, 10:34 AM	#2
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,541 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	me back too, been a while! __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

10-14-13, 01:04 PM	#3
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,541 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	I don't do 'u boats' - I will not sink my own ships. US subs only I'm afraid. __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

10-15-13, 05:53 PM	#5
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,541 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	yeah I know but its the principle of the thing. I do a lot of WW2 research as a hobby and a hell of a lot on U Boats. I admire the bravery of the men who sailed in them. 75% of whom never came home. But, the line is drawn even on sims. In my research on the British Merchant Navy in WW2, I side with them poor souls. __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

10-17-13, 04:12 PM	#7
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,541 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	Jimbuna I sympathise completely. A former Army friend of mine was telling me recently about his trip to No 10 Downing Street, London, with his father. His dad was to receive a presentation from President Putin himself of a silver, bejewelled dagger and medal for his services in WW2 to Russia. It took organisations and Vets a long time to get the intransigent British Government to allow our brave Arctic sailors to be recognised by Russia for the deeds they suffered to get vital supplies to Murmansk and Archangel. Politicians are so very slow to recognise the sacrifices undertaken by the past, for the future and it is very very sad. Many sailors and others, of many nationalities, suffered the utlimate sacrifice in order that there was food on the table in Britain, ammunition in the rifles of allied soldiers and fuel for the ships and planes of the USAAF, Royal Air force and the Royal Navy. I know that we enjoy simulations etc in todays modern 21st C technology but there is also the fact, the hard cold fact, that things may have been VERY different if it was not for the hardships, deaths, hunger and bewilderment of our parents in war time. There is a favourite saying here in the UK- they would turn in their graves if they could see what became of their ultimate sacrifice. __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

10-16-13, 04:29 AM	#8
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,541 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	May the force be with you! My WW2 hero is Captain Walker RN who commanded a free ranging Hunter/Killer Group, the 2nd Support Group, and every U boat he found, he sank. http://www.mikekemble.com/walker/windex.html He died, of overwork induced thrombosis, in July 1944. __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

10-12-13, 05:31 PM	#1
SilentOtto Engineer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BF79 Posts: 209 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Danke schön!!

10-16-13, 10:06 AM	#9
SilentOtto Engineer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BF79 Posts: 209 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	I respect your answer, and even more your not biting my bait (a bit trolly that was). But I must say I'm sorry you, as a history buff (I know your awesome website) are missing some of the experience of "being there", aboard the most awesome submarine machines of those sad days. Since I don't have a deep personal involvement with WWII, I can enjoy the same playing a US pacific sub, or a german atlantic one, just thinking about the sim and strategic side in both cases. Even so, I can understand your emotions perfectly. I have myself similar prejudices... I am from Spain, and in some historic battles themed in the Spanish Civil War, of games I played (like Steel Panthers World ar War, or some MOD of Call of Duty which I don't remember how it was called) I couldn't even _think_ about playing the Fascist Nationalist Franco's side, I loathe them so much. I always played the Republican side, in a probably infantile way of trying to put things "right" in my mind. I guess I can understand you that way. So, all my respects to you, sir!

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