Conspiracies, sheeple, the universe and everything

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Platapus

You wrote "low budget porn movie" like it was a bad thing.

You're not REAR admiral for nuthin'!

[Safe-Keeper]

Just one last thing before I go: far as I know, the "black box" didn't show the cockpit door opening because that particular feature of the data recorder wasn't installed/connected in the first place on the plane in question. So Mittelwaechter's bizarre claim that officials "refuse to comment on this" is a misconception at best, a lie at worst.

Evidence? (You see it's easy to ask for evidence)

You act as if asking people to support their views is a bad thing.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

You're not REAR admiral for nuthin'!

I just knew I would be the butt of a joke in the end.

[Mittelwaechter]

Quotes from pilotsf0r9/11truth (no laymen):

"...if the [cabin door] sensor failed, it would "ding" the FDR that a sensor has failed during self-diagnosis. If the FDR is inoperative, the airplane is not allowed to take-off. The sensor was operative."

"Does the FDR record if the door is open or closed?
A. Clearly it does. It says closed for the entire flight and was confirmed by the Data Frame Layout provided by the NTSB and a pilot who has flight time in this exact 757 at American Airlines."

"But the fact remains, the [FDR] data shows the door as closed, the altitude too high to hit the Pentagon, Vertical speed too great for level off as seen in DoD 5 frames video, the list goes on. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment on such blatant conflict with the govt story."

[Dowly]

It is most probable that AA77 had newer FDR which recorded the door sensor,
but the plane itself had no sensor installed hence it shows "0".

Did Pilotsfor911truth mention that the FDR also contains data from the previous
11 flights? In all cases the cockpit door sensor stays as "0". I bet they didn't.

[Mittelwaechter]

"Also, i cross checked this with Capt Ralph Kolstad who flew the 757 with American just to make sure their 757's have a sensor for when the door is open. They have an overhead button to push to open the flight deck door. The button lights up when the door is open. There is a sensor on the door."

IF the door wasn't opened the last 11 flights, what does that prove?
Is it usual, that no one opens the door during flight? The pilots stay in the cabin, the door stays closed, as security regulations probably expect it?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

"Also, i cross checked this with Capt Ralph Kolstad who flew the 757 with American just to make sure their 757's have a sensor for when the door is open. They have an overhead button to push to open the flight deck door. The button lights up when the door is open. There is a sensor on the door."

Does he know this for sure? Has he checked every single American Airlines 757?
Flight 77's 757 was built in 1991 (SOURCE), so it was an old plane.

Going to need some more concrete evidence than what Robert Balsamo says.

EDIT: Ah, Ralph Kolstad is another truther, so yeah, definitely going to have to ask for some actual evidence.

IF the door wasn't opened the last 11 flights, what does that prove?
Is it usual, that no one opens the door during flight? The pilots stay in the cabin, the door stays closed, as security regulations probably expect it?

It doesn't 100% prove anything, but it is rather strange that no one left or entered
the cockpit during any of the previous 11 flights. Flight 77 flew from LA to Washington,
that's roughly 3700 kilometers, so we are not talking about short flights.

[Safe-Keeper]

Did Pilotsfor911truth mention that the FDR also contains data from the previous 11 flights? In all cases the cockpit door sensor stays as "0". I bet they didn't.

My guess is the pilots beamed into the cockpit.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Is it usual, that no one opens the door during flight? The pilots stay in the cabin, the door stays closed, as security regulations probably expect it?

In 11 flights not one crewmember ever had to use the toilet? The flight attendants never once brought the pilots coffee or meals?

It sounds to me like the sensor was broken. It also sounds to me like you're grasping at straws.

[Mittelwaechter]

There are only 41hours recorded for 12 flights of this "AA77" FDR.

41/12 makes it ~ 3.5 hours per flight, right?

Strange eh? Assuming you cant fly 3700 km (~ 2300mls) in 3.5 hours with a 757 at 530 miles/hour top speed.

Was the airliner N644AA constantly assigned to the AA77 flight from Washington to LAX? (and back?) If so, the presented FDR is not from AA77.
If the N644AA (aka N5BPAA) was not constantly asigned to AA77 - you can't assume it to be doubtable, the cabin door has been closed over the average 3.5 hours per flight.

http://www.seattle911visibilityproje...77_tail_no.htm

Are there any meals served for the pilots on a 3.5 hours flight?
Are there meals served at all on such short hops?
Do you have to use the lav within 3.5 hours leaving the airport?
A female pilot probably...

The FDR is off, as long as the engines are not running. The pilots enter the flight deck before starting the engines and they shut them down before leaving the flight deck.
=> They open the cabin door, but the FDR doesn't read it. No beaming necessary.

It also sounds to me like you're grasping at straws.

I disagree, I think he is hugging a whole haystack.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

There are only 41hours recorded for 12 flights of this "AA77" FDR.

41/12 makes it ~ 3.5 hours per flight, right?

Strange eh? Assuming you cant fly 3700 km (~ 2300mls) in 3.5 hours with a 757 at 530 miles/hour top speed.

Now I know that you are guessing, and don't know what you're talking about. The route - Washington to Los Angeles - is assigned the number AA77. The plane - N644AA - is assigned to different routes on a regular basis. Here are photographs of N644AA taken in various places around the country, including pictures taken in 2001 in Miami and Boston. You cannot take the total flight time and divide it by the number of flights and get anything resembling a working number. Yes, the plane flew from DC to LA, which is a longer flight, and it flew shorter hops under different route numbers.
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=N644AA

Was the airliner N644AA constantly assigned to the AA77 flight from Washington to LAX? (and back?) If so, the presented FDR is not from AA77.

No

If the N644AA (aka N5BPAA) was not constantly asigned to AA77 - you can't assume it to be doubtable, the cabin door has been closed over the average 3.5 hours per flight.

Not at all. The FDR says it was never opened at all. By your own numbers the DC-LA flight would be 4.3 hours, not including takeoff and landing, so it would likely be closer to five hours.

Are there any meals served for the pilots on a 3.5 hours flight?

Arguable either way, but meals are always served on coast-to-coast flights.

Are there meals served at all on such short hops?

Usually not.

Do you have to use the lav within 3.5 hours leaving the airport?

Some don't, but some do.

A female pilot probably...

Misogynism is not welcome here.

The FDR is off, as long as the engines are not running. The pilots enter the flight deck before starting the engines and they shut them down before leaving the flight deck.

True, but your whole argument consists on the door never being opened even once, which is possible but highly unlikely.

=> They open the cabin door, but the FDR doesn't read it. No beaming necessary.

The most likely answer is that reached by the investigators, that the sensor malfunctioned. It does happen, you know.

Here is a set of discussions that answer your "questions" in a much more logical and reasonable fashion than the answers you Truthers like to give. They include the leading Truthers misreading and misunderstanding things to the point of having no clue what they are on about.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Am...ines_Flight_77

[mapuc]

According to a danish newspaper "Jylland Posten" it is now allowed to name these truthers a.s.o, to be some kind of weirdo

When I read that it made me really mad. OK some of the conspiracy is really far out, well almost everyone is, but let these who believe in these, let them believe and do not call them weirdo just because of that.

Markus

[Safe-Keeper]

I'm not sure what you mean. If you publicly state that you believe in CTs, I can publicly state that you're a weirdo. Denmark is a free country, "non-believers" don't have a choice but to "let them believe". They do, however, also have the right to say exactly what they think about said beliefs.

[Bubblehead1980]

Apparently John Kerry will sign the UN Arms Treaty tomorrow. The treasonous behavior of this admin just never ends. Yes, I am sure the usual actors will chime in and defend it herebut it is no secret the UN seeks to disarm everyone.Luckily, the Senate will not ratify it but the fact these traitors would even sign such a monstrosity, is ridiculous.