Forbe's most taxed nations, the misery list - Page 2

Respenus · 09-12-13, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

in Poland, if you are unemployed, the Department of Labor pays 12 Euros for your health insurance.

In Slovenia, if you're unemployed, you have to pay a bit more than €14 per month out of your own pocket for obligatory health insurance at the Health Insurance Institute (ie. public/state insurance). Oh and the fun part? If you don't have any income and your family fits the criteria, you can ask another part of the administration to pay it for you. That is after waiting 1 or 2 months in the best of cases and if they actually decide in your favour. This is not counting also the supplementary health insurance (read private) which is slightly over €30 if you wish to have any sort of security as well.

So yeah, if you don't have any sort of social net, you can either screw the state by extending your studies as long as possible, costing thousands of euros; or you can let the state take what little you have. And people wonder why we have tax evaders and a large grey economy, it's the only way to survive normally unless you have a huge salary.

Penguin · 09-12-13, 11:27 AM

I don't believe the list, as Germany is not included.
We have many people here in my state, working close to the Belgian or Dutch border, who chose to live in those respective countries - to avoid high taxation. Many celebs did chose to settle especially in Belgium, though the state of Germany put much pressure on tax avoidance during the few past years.

The clue is that othe brilliant German tax authorities chose to call only parts of what goes off our paycheck taxes(Steuern) - the rest are called duties (Abgaben), nonetheless both are obligatory.

Like Betonov said, it's also important what worth you get back. Iirc, in the Nordic countries, the taxes are more or less all-inclusive, e.g. they also have the health or unemployment insurance included, which Germans also have to pay for seperately. So I'd have no problem with high taxes, if I get my money's worth out of it, or low taxes which allow you to put money aside. However Swedish taxes combined with an American social system just plain suck.

Platapus · 09-13-13, 02:27 PM

When I was reading the Forbes article (which was interesting) This also was displayed

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnaz...olds-dont-get/

I know many 50 year olds that don't know this stuff. Pretty interesting

kraznyi_oktjabr · 09-13-13, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

When I was reading the Forbes article (which was interesting) This also was displayed

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnaz...olds-dont-get/

I know many 50 year olds that don't know this stuff. Pretty interesting

Very interesting one. I found this one (from same source) also interesting.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanada...eekers-make-2/

Few comments:
1. If you schedule job interview with employer come into it! Missing your job interview WILL be remembered - also not responding to calls & emails seeking explanation is bad move...

2. Well written CV is very important - its used to eliminate less qualified* candidates. I don't care what your grades from Oxford were if you can't write them up coherently!

*In employer's opinion ofcourse. I'm sure many candidates disagree.

Skybird · 09-13-13, 04:50 PM

http://www.primeeconomics.org/?p=1068

Status 2012, numbers by Eurostat.

First income tax in Europe wa sduring the Napoleonic wars, in England, ranging from 5 to 10%. Later income tax schemes until short of WWI throughout Europe had an average value 8%.

After WWI and with the installation of republican order, income taxation constantly climbed until the levels of modern times. Together with other mandatory tax payments and obligatory payments, the average regular employee today must hand over more than half of his income. In some states, the income tax alone already makes up for one half.

Feel your freedom! You are a citizen.

The smiles will freeze on people's faces sooner or later. You cannot outrun reality forever. Sooner or later it catches up with you again, like a weight on a rubber band that returns towards you - with growing acceleration when the rubberband contracts. Slams right into our faces. the financial system and state order we have today, is the biggest, longest and most successful profitable raid in known human history.

Betonov · 09-13-13, 05:15 PM

I'd love to see the corelation between company taxes and unemployment.

More than half the cost the company has with an employee goes to the state.
And everyone wonders why there's so much grey economy.

09-13-13, 02:27 PM	#18
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	When I was reading the Forbes article (which was interesting) This also was displayed http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnaz...olds-dont-get/ I know many 50 year olds that don't know this stuff. Pretty interesting __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

09-13-13, 04:50 PM	#20
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,618 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://www.primeeconomics.org/?p=1068 Status 2012, numbers by Eurostat. First income tax in Europe wa sduring the Napoleonic wars, in England, ranging from 5 to 10%. Later income tax schemes until short of WWI throughout Europe had an average value 8%. After WWI and with the installation of republican order, income taxation constantly climbed until the levels of modern times. Together with other mandatory tax payments and obligatory payments, the average regular employee today must hand over more than half of his income. In some states, the income tax alone already makes up for one half. Feel your freedom! You are a citizen. The smiles will freeze on people's faces sooner or later. You cannot outrun reality forever. Sooner or later it catches up with you again, like a weight on a rubber band that returns towards you - with growing acceleration when the rubberband contracts. Slams right into our faces. the financial system and state order we have today, is the biggest, longest and most successful profitable raid in known human history. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-13-13 at 05:03 PM.

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09-12-13, 11:27 AM	#17
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	I don't believe the list, as Germany is not included. We have many people here in my state, working close to the Belgian or Dutch border, who chose to live in those respective countries - to avoid high taxation. Many celebs did chose to settle especially in Belgium, though the state of Germany put much pressure on tax avoidance during the few past years. The clue is that othe brilliant German tax authorities chose to call only parts of what goes off our paycheck taxes(Steuern) - the rest are called duties (Abgaben), nonetheless both are obligatory. Like Betonov said, it's also important what worth you get back. Iirc, in the Nordic countries, the taxes are more or less all-inclusive, e.g. they also have the health or unemployment insurance included, which Germans also have to pay for seperately. So I'd have no problem with high taxes, if I get my money's worth out of it, or low taxes which allow you to put money aside. However Swedish taxes combined with an American social system just plain suck.

09-13-13, 05:15 PM	#21
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I'd love to see the corelation between company taxes and unemployment. More than half the cost the company has with an employee goes to the state. And everyone wonders why there's so much grey economy.