Forbe's most taxed nations, the misery list

09-11-13, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Erm, if you'd care to look at this list, and then look at the 'Happiest Nations' thread started by der Onkel you'll see that they are mostly the same.

Therefore Slovenia should be a really happy place, not miserable. So pay your taxes and cheer up.

Beat me to it.

Betonov · 09-11-13, 02:17 PM

It's not taxes that bother me.

It's how the goverment spends the income

AVGWarhawk · 09-11-13, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov

It's not taxes that bother me.

It's how the goverment spends the income

The entire system bothers me.

Jimbuna · 09-11-13, 04:14 PM

As long as your working class you'll always suffer the effects of taxation.

09-11-13, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

As long as your working class you'll always suffer the effects of taxation.

Or suffer an actual penalty for avoiding them, instead of being able to cut a sweetheart deal like some tax dodgers are able.

Betonov · 09-11-13, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Or suffer an actual penalty for avoiding them, instead of being able to cut a sweetheart deal like some tax dodgers are able.

Too much of that also. And half of them are known to the public but they're friends of politicians or even politicians themselves.
I feel like I'm paying my taxes so those thieves get a comfortable living plus the taxes they're supposed to pay

Roads are like golf courses, railroad hasn't been upgraded since the Germans forced us into a renovation, hospitals get funded by public fundraisers...
My money is not put to good use.

BrucePartington · 09-12-13, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov

It's not taxes that bother me.

It's how the goverment spends the income

You hit the nail on the head: mismanagement.

Respenus · 09-12-13, 04:41 AM

Don't even get me started on the insurance system. I just finished my Master's in Belgium and returned back home. I'd rather go on a 10 year Odyssey than do the whole administrative procedure over again. No wonder studies here take on average more than 7 years, everyone is playing the system to stretch their student status, so they can get free insurance via their parents and work without paying taxes. Those of us who finish on time and invest in our education, "Well though luck, pay up you unemployed bastard. It's your own damned fault!"

Right now all I see is red and no, I'm not talking about the social-democrats/ex-communists in power.

kranz · 09-12-13, 06:41 AM

in Poland, if you are unemployed, the Department of Labor pays 12 Euros for your health insurance.
If you sign a contract of employment - doesn't matter what type of contract, can even be a contract which doesn't give you any monthly income (like mine atm), you are no longer eligible for the free insurance (this is perfectly fine with me up to this point) BUT the Voluntary Health Insurance is 80 Euros.
How come the same insurance can be worth either 12 or 80 Euros?
Why should I pay a fixed amount without any real monthly income while somebody on a slightly different contract can pay a sum which is proportional to his income? (the problem lies in a different type of a contract signed).

People telling me to stop 'dodging taxation' have the right to be b1tch slapped.

Respenus · 09-12-13, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

in Poland, if you are unemployed, the Department of Labor pays 12 Euros for your health insurance.

In Slovenia, if you're unemployed, you have to pay a bit more than €14 per month out of your own pocket for obligatory health insurance at the Health Insurance Institute (ie. public/state insurance). Oh and the fun part? If you don't have any income and your family fits the criteria, you can ask another part of the administration to pay it for you. That is after waiting 1 or 2 months in the best of cases and if they actually decide in your favour. This is not counting also the supplementary health insurance (read private) which is slightly over €30 if you wish to have any sort of security as well.

So yeah, if you don't have any sort of social net, you can either screw the state by extending your studies as long as possible, costing thousands of euros; or you can let the state take what little you have. And people wonder why we have tax evaders and a large grey economy, it's the only way to survive normally unless you have a huge salary.

Penguin · 09-12-13, 11:27 AM

I don't believe the list, as Germany is not included.
We have many people here in my state, working close to the Belgian or Dutch border, who chose to live in those respective countries - to avoid high taxation. Many celebs did chose to settle especially in Belgium, though the state of Germany put much pressure on tax avoidance during the few past years.

The clue is that othe brilliant German tax authorities chose to call only parts of what goes off our paycheck taxes(Steuern) - the rest are called duties (Abgaben), nonetheless both are obligatory.

Like Betonov said, it's also important what worth you get back. Iirc, in the Nordic countries, the taxes are more or less all-inclusive, e.g. they also have the health or unemployment insurance included, which Germans also have to pay for seperately. So I'd have no problem with high taxes, if I get my money's worth out of it, or low taxes which allow you to put money aside. However Swedish taxes combined with an American social system just plain suck.

Platapus · 09-13-13, 02:27 PM

When I was reading the Forbes article (which was interesting) This also was displayed

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnaz...olds-dont-get/

I know many 50 year olds that don't know this stuff. Pretty interesting

Skybird · 09-13-13, 04:50 PM

http://www.primeeconomics.org/?p=1068

Status 2012, numbers by Eurostat.

First income tax in Europe wa sduring the Napoleonic wars, in England, ranging from 5 to 10%. Later income tax schemes until short of WWI throughout Europe had an average value 8%.

After WWI and with the installation of republican order, income taxation constantly climbed until the levels of modern times. Together with other mandatory tax payments and obligatory payments, the average regular employee today must hand over more than half of his income. In some states, the income tax alone already makes up for one half.

Feel your freedom! You are a citizen.

The smiles will freeze on people's faces sooner or later. You cannot outrun reality forever. Sooner or later it catches up with you again, like a weight on a rubber band that returns towards you - with growing acceleration when the rubberband contracts. Slams right into our faces. the financial system and state order we have today, is the biggest, longest and most successful profitable raid in known human history.

Betonov · 09-13-13, 05:15 PM

I'd love to see the corelation between company taxes and unemployment.

More than half the cost the company has with an employee goes to the state.
And everyone wonders why there's so much grey economy.

09-11-13, 04:14 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As long as your working class you'll always suffer the effects of taxation. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-12-13, 04:41 AM	#8
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't even get me started on the insurance system. I just finished my Master's in Belgium and returned back home. I'd rather go on a 10 year Odyssey than do the whole administrative procedure over again. No wonder studies here take on average more than 7 years, everyone is playing the system to stretch their student status, so they can get free insurance via their parents and work without paying taxes. Those of us who finish on time and invest in our education, "Well though luck, pay up you unemployed bastard. It's your own damned fault!" Right now all I see is red and no, I'm not talking about the social-democrats/ex-communists in power. __________________

09-13-13, 02:27 PM	#12
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	When I was reading the Forbes article (which was interesting) This also was displayed http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnaz...olds-dont-get/ I know many 50 year olds that don't know this stuff. Pretty interesting __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://www.primeeconomics.org/?p=1068 Status 2012, numbers by Eurostat. First income tax in Europe wa sduring the Napoleonic wars, in England, ranging from 5 to 10%. Later income tax schemes until short of WWI throughout Europe had an average value 8%. After WWI and with the installation of republican order, income taxation constantly climbed until the levels of modern times. Together with other mandatory tax payments and obligatory payments, the average regular employee today must hand over more than half of his income. In some states, the income tax alone already makes up for one half. Feel your freedom! You are a citizen. The smiles will freeze on people's faces sooner or later. You cannot outrun reality forever. Sooner or later it catches up with you again, like a weight on a rubber band that returns towards you - with growing acceleration when the rubberband contracts. Slams right into our faces. the financial system and state order we have today, is the biggest, longest and most successful profitable raid in known human history. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-13-13 at 05:03 PM.

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09-11-13, 02:17 PM	#2
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	It's not taxes that bother me. It's how the goverment spends the income

09-12-13, 06:41 AM	#9
kranz The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,430 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	in Poland, if you are unemployed, the Department of Labor pays 12 Euros for your health insurance. If you sign a contract of employment - doesn't matter what type of contract, can even be a contract which doesn't give you any monthly income (like mine atm), you are no longer eligible for the free insurance (this is perfectly fine with me up to this point) BUT the Voluntary Health Insurance is 80 Euros. How come the same insurance can be worth either 12 or 80 Euros? Why should I pay a fixed amount without any real monthly income while somebody on a slightly different contract can pay a sum which is proportional to his income? (the problem lies in a different type of a contract signed). People telling me to stop 'dodging taxation' have the right to be b1tch slapped.

09-12-13, 11:27 AM	#11
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	I don't believe the list, as Germany is not included. We have many people here in my state, working close to the Belgian or Dutch border, who chose to live in those respective countries - to avoid high taxation. Many celebs did chose to settle especially in Belgium, though the state of Germany put much pressure on tax avoidance during the few past years. The clue is that othe brilliant German tax authorities chose to call only parts of what goes off our paycheck taxes(Steuern) - the rest are called duties (Abgaben), nonetheless both are obligatory. Like Betonov said, it's also important what worth you get back. Iirc, in the Nordic countries, the taxes are more or less all-inclusive, e.g. they also have the health or unemployment insurance included, which Germans also have to pay for seperately. So I'd have no problem with high taxes, if I get my money's worth out of it, or low taxes which allow you to put money aside. However Swedish taxes combined with an American social system just plain suck.

09-13-13, 05:15 PM	#14
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I'd love to see the corelation between company taxes and unemployment. More than half the cost the company has with an employee goes to the state. And everyone wonders why there's so much grey economy.