Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Mittelwaechter]

More and more I believe, the US military is a Saudi tool these days - to kick Assad and Iran. "Pay the oil with military power and keep your worthless greenbacks".
And a cornered Obama runs a show right now, telling his will to act, but in need for the Congress legitimation to attack. "Sorry may oily Prince, I tried everything to follow your wishes, but I can't break my own laws, you know. But I can deliver more weapons, training and intelligence to withdraw Assad and his friends."



I see only one justified solution for Syria: according to the R2P (right to protect) rules, an international force with superior tech should enter Syria and install safe areas along the borders for the Syrian civilians. Expand these areas from the borders and destroy any resistance. No strategic important terrains, but a passive no fly zone over these areas.

No support for any fighting party in Syria, but the safe place for the pepole who choose to stay out of the conflict. That's the R2P spirit. Let Assad and the aggressors fight their dispute, but save the peaceful people. When done, ask the protected people, if they want to fight the remaining party (and let them do!) or if they want to accept the winner.

This should consequently be done in all the conflicts worldwide, to bring them to an end.

It would be possible, if there were no further interests of members of the international community concerning Syria - and no interests of war profiteers around the world.

[Vince82]

Obama wants Congress's okay for Syria strike:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...fd5_video.html

I see only one justified solution for Syria:

So your solution is full scale invasion fighting against all factions in the conflict.
Not bad, now you just need agreement from Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Israel and the Leb on setting up on their borders.

[Skybird]

Okay, this is Fox News. Ignore it, its not my favourite station too.

Okay its Krauthammer, if you don't like him, ignore the name, because what he says is right on target. He does not even say what he thinks should be done in Syria. He only says how Obama makes look himself. And there is is absolutely right.

"But the most astonishing thing is the lack of any emergency."

[Mittelwaechter]

No full scale invasion of Syria, but a clear UN scripted conquest of rather small areas to create save zones for civilians. All civil war parties should agree with it, should they? There would be no fighting necessary, if they would support the safety of the people.

Turkey, Jordan and Israel should be no problem, and even Iraq would probably join the club. Lebanon would be difficult, but maybe the Russian harbour at Tartus could be a beachhead for a safe zone. I guess Tartus is Assad's playground right now and his forces could leave the area.

Edit: well, there are already safe areas on the other side of the borders in Turkey and Jordan. All people can decide, wheather they want to leave the battle grounds or not. The international community should stay out of Syria and stop all support for any party. Simply wait for the last man standing. Those who stay in the combat zones are on their own.

You have a war in your country? Move out of the way or fight.

@ skybird

First I thought one zombie interviews an other one.

But Krauthammer has a valid point.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

No full scale invasion of Syria, but a clear UN scripted conquest of rather small areas to create save zones for civilians. All civil war parties should agree with it, should they? There would be no fighting necessary, if they would support the safety of the people.

There would be no fighting necessary if they would support the peace for the country. Thjey should agree with it, shouldn'T they?

Well, "should" is not "would".

The zones you envision would need solid protection. Else you end up like the Dutch at Srebrenica. Solid protection needs a robust mandate. A VERY robust mandate. You need huge and costly military resources and a whole lot of money. You need the UNSC speaking unisono for all that. You will not get that. You need to fight your way in, and then keep on fighting to hold your ground. Hezbollah and Iran are against negotiations, so is Assad, so is AQ, the radical militias, parts of the FSA. Even if the FSA would sympathise with your idea (which i doubt they do), you would still need to fight on two fronts against two different enemies at the same time, with the Lebanon soup cooking over any moment and spilling into Israel. A brawl everybody against everybody.

Don't want to attack you, but: stop dreaming. It's reality you are dealing with. And reality is no vegetarian, but a carnivore.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

No full scale invasion of Syria, but a clear UN scripted conquest of rather small areas to create save zones for civilians. All civil war parties should agree with it, should they? There would be no fighting necessary, if they would support the safety of the people.

Turkey, Jordan and Israel should be no problem, and even Iraq would probably join the club. Lebanon would be difficult, but maybe the Russian harbour at Tartus could be a beachhead for a safe zone. I guess Tartus is Assad's playground right now and his forces could leave the area.

Problem here is that how participants of Syrian civil war can trust that this intervention would also stay in that safe zone? Why should al-Assad assume that USA, Saudi Arabia et al would not use it as pretext for full scale invasion?

[Jimbuna]

The Syrian government has said the country's army is ready for potential foreign attacks and "has its finger on the trigger".
Reports from Damascus say the Syrian military has been moving equipment to civilian areas, including near schools and mosques, in anticipation of possible US-led strikes.

Most brave of them but not totally unexpected I suppose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23918025

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

@ skybird

First I thought one zombie interviews an other one.

But Krauthammer has a valid point.

Some start smoking Botox form their 30th birthday on these days... The babyface starting the interview is evidence (if he even is 30).

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

No full scale invasion of Syria, but a clear UN scripted conquest of rather small areas to create save zones for civilians. All civil war parties should agree with it, should they? There would be no fighting necessary, if they would support the safety of the people.

That statement makes no sense.

Turkey, Jordan and Israel should be no problem, and even Iraq would probably join the club. Lebanon would be difficult, but maybe the Russian harbour at Tartus could be a beachhead for a safe zone. I guess Tartus is Assad's playground right now and his forces could leave the area.

So you have two countries that are backing rebel factions, one whose masters are allied with the Syrian government, one that is still at war with it and one which is run by Syrian/Iranian proxies.
Then you have the "beachhead" which is a Russian base, which happens to be a country that supports the Assad regime.

Edit: well, there are already safe areas on the other side of the borders in Turkey and Jordan. All people can decide, wheather they want to leave the battle grounds or not.

Are there? who is running the camps in those "safe" areas?

The international community should stay out of Syria and stop all support for any party. Simply wait for the last man standing. Those who stay in the combat zones are on their own.

That also makes no sense.
You views seem to contradict your own views, as well as run counter to reality.

[Vince82]

Well being able to pause is better to not being able to.

President Obama is one of the few who has all the facts, congress will follow him after those facts are presented to them. He will get the green light from them to strike.

Immidiate action is not needed in Syria, because it's about condemning Syria's use of CW's. There is enough time to think things over, but within 2 weeks cruise missiles will hit the Assad regime.