Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by eddie

Here come the effects of possible military action. They sure didn't waste any time, did they!?!

http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...27&id=16840794

Makes you wonder exactly who is pulling the puppet strings, do it?
Especially when you consider who will gain from the proposed action. As if Syria is some major lynch pin in the world economy. Who are they trying to fool other than themselves?
Looks like Saudi oil will be lucrative, along with every other oil producer and the old pebble in the pond ripple effect through every economy on Earth.

It sure won't be any gains for us.

I think I'll go buy a Moped or a horse.

For some odd reason, I keep hearing a Beach Boys tune in my head. The lyrics are modified though..
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Huh? Sry for OT here:

Why do i 'believe everything about drones' ?

You mean the US does not kill alleged insurgents (even if they are US citizens) and sometimes bystanders with drones ?
And i should better believe in Iraq's WMDs, because Cheney and Powell told me so back then ?
Like the media tells me now?

Ok now i believe, this time they ARE right, and we should invade Syria with all we have. Oh, wait ...

Ok ok got you....I mistook you for someone else.

Makes you wonder exactly who is pulling the puppet strings, do it?
Especially when you consider who will gain from the proposed action. As if Syria is some major lynch pin in the world economy. Who are they trying to fool other than themselves?
Looks like Saudi oil will be lucrative, along with every other oil producer and the old pebble in the pond ripple effect through every economy on Earth.

It sure won't be any gains for us.

I think I'll go buy a Moped or a horse

Reverse logic again.

[Ducimus]

Think im gonna go top off the gas tank and buy some emergency food from costco tonight when I'm done with work.

[mapuc]

Here's the newest from that area

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/26...rike-in-syria/

Don't know if this is going to make it more tense as it is.

Markus

[Catfish]

Guess i should finally buy an IBC container with 1000 liters of canola (rape seed) oil, should be enough for a year.
Still have the old Diesel with the Elsbett engine.

I know it is no real solution, but we will not run on hydrogen until the last mineral oil lobbyist has been shot

[Wolferz]

Reverse logic again.

It's still logic.
Something the NATO dweebs lack in abundance.

Why should we care what a sand lot dictator does to his own people?

For all any of us knows, Assad's battling the same enemy we are. Al Qaida.
Arming these alleged rebels will be equal to arming Al Qaida. Just to keep the conflict and chaos machine humming along.
If they're really serious about removing Assad, drop a cruise missile in his lap and be done with it.
Any other course of action is...

SUSPECT!!!!

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Who's to say that they don't have the activating chemicals stored in the same stockpile?

It's their civil war and the rest of us should keep our noses in our own bees wax.

This is why we should just remove the chemical weapons ... hell I would rather the present administration consider a buy back program for the darn things.

Where did they get such a huge stock pile anyway? If Iraq gave away jet fighter planes to Iran before we got there what else did they give away to Syria before the US forces arrived?

As for bombing the stored weapons that is a bad idea. That would be like cherry bombing an outhouse with terrible results.

Plus whatever happened to all of those US stockpiled chemical weapons that were caught leaking in Utah and killing sheep?

Originally Posted by Betonov

One thing will be interesting. The Russian reaction.

This is the biggest question Obama as commander in chief has to face ...

The UN inspectors are scheduled to leave this Sunday (labor day weekend for the USA) and the Russian G20 summit meeting in Saint Petersburg is scheduled for September 5th and 6th which is just one week from this Thursday by the way.

President Obama has already cancelled a meeting with President/Premier (whatever he has elected himself to be) Putin over the Snowden NSA leaker problem.

Perhaps President Obama should reconsider his meeting with the Russian hard liner on the topic of chemical weapons use in Syria.

A little co-operation wouldn't hurt a thing ...

The USA can't go in or come out of that meeting with smoke coming out of Syria from airstrikes.

Leaves the next ten days in limbo

A car bomb the rebels get credit for is the least messy of all options

[Wolferz]

Obama has a tee time. No time for considering anything else.
Maybe he could do the world a big favor and just go on vacation until his term has expired. Let Biden bungle it.

[BossMark]

As every one is saying how will the Russians and Iranians react? Obama and Cameron(I hope parliament vote against military action) and the rest of Western allies might want to consider this, although I bet they have but will they consider they actions as it all could and probably will all end in tears..........

[Skybird]

Hard to believe it, but they really seem to be determined to walk straight into th trap.

In case of crime, it is good to ask who benefits from it, and who has what motive.

Assad:

may think the West is weak and Obama is a mouth hero, but must nevertheless be in knowledge (fed by his advisors) about the US military's capabilities. He knew that there is the risk that the US will get engaged against himself if he steps over that famous red line.

And why should he want to do that, now, at this time? The war is running well for him. The Syrian army is in attack mode since months, with help by Hezbollah, Iran, and deliveries received from Russia, North Korea, and verbally supported (if not more?) by China. A lot of important strategic key places have been recaptured, the rebels are running in many places.

He also had the weapon inspectors under his nose, they have been in the country to investigate three other places when the incident now leading to this hype was staged by somebody.

Conclusion:

Assad has no interest to launch a massive chemical attack right now. He has no military or other need to so so. The timing speaks against it. A lot of risk is involved. He can get no compensation for the costs of it. In other words: he has had nothing to win from it now. He has no motive for it right now. Everything speaks against it. Assad is cold-blooded, ruthless and unscrupulous - stupid or insane he is not. At least not that we know

The opposition: Al Quaeda, terrorists, rebels, extremists, jihadists:

are in the defense, and have been hunted around in the recent weeks, been driven out of many strongholds they had taken before. Their situation doe snot allow to achieve military progress currently. They have only to win from chemical attacks taking place and claimed to have been ordered by Assad: a wavering, hesitant West could come to their support. They have no scruples to sacrifice civilians for their cause, as have the extremists of many factions in the ME have demonstrated over the years. The greater the horror being called out in the headlines of the world's newspapers, the better for them. The greater the bloodshed, the louder the call becomes to run to their rescue and assist them.

The timing of the attack is highly suspicious. The inspectors already in the country to examine three other locations - and right then during their visit this latest attack takes place!? How nice, timing could not have been any better!

Conclusion:

the rebels have only to win from staging a gas attack and claiming it to have been ordered by Assad. No risk for their cause is involved, the worst that could happen is that nothing happens and nobody reacts. Its a free bidding round for them.

Approaching this with reason and logic only, comparing the motives and situations of both sides, necessarily recommends the conclusion that the massacre has been conducted by the rebels.

In other words, NATO is about to embark on military assistance for a gang of medieval barbarians, West-hating jihadists, murderers not any better than Assad and Hezbollah are, and Al Queda-liking terrorists. Great service for NATO's reputation! Iran must love it.

The Russians probably see it right. Like it or not: they probably see it right.

The current inspectors' mission is only to examine whether or not a chemical attack took place. Trying to clear who conducted the attack if it was one, is not part of there mission. They also have not the time and options to do that. It is beyond their mandate.

Nobody so far has shown evidence for the claim that it was Assad. Britain, France and the US only presented claims so far. Modern history shows that it is imperative to not just trust mere American claims when it comes to excusing wars.

I think the rebels did it.

The US, Britain and maybe France once again walk straight into the giant trap that is called the Middle East. Especially the US seem to have a natural, inbred immunity to learning about the ME. And the British? Once again run and try to find the stick that their master has thrown. Must be great to be a poodle, considering how passionately they fill that role time and again. France cooks its own supper. It's about widening francophone influence and status around the Islamic mediterranean theatre. It's a long-lasting geostrategic ambition of theirs, to somehow compensate for their economic inferiority to Germany. Holland's vision of supersocialism is falling apart under the pressure of financial realities in France. Distracting a displeased public by running an external war is a proven tactic for desperate politicians, since eons.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here's the newest from that area

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/26...rike-in-syria/

Don't know if this is going to make it more tense as it is.

Markus

This is fear itself thrown at Israel and of course has to be taken seriously, but look at the last paragraph in the same article:

Stars and Stripes said the Jordanian military, which boasts 120,000 troops, has deployed many of its combat units to its northern border with Syria in an effort to prevent a spillover of the ongoing fighting between rebel groups, and the regime of President Assad. Jordanian officials said about 560,000 Syrians have already fled across the frontier.

[Catfish]

Can't say that often enough:

There is no evidence of chemical weapons having been used.

So WTF ?



Edit:
Google says: "No results found for +evidence +chemical +syria +2013."

[Ducimus]

Just watched Kerry's address about it. Judging by the language he used, language typical of his party in recent months, there is not a doubt in my mind they're gonna do it.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Just watched Kerry's address about it. Judging by the language he used, language typical of his party in recent months, there is not a doubt in my mind they're gonna do it.

Guess there not going to wait for UN inspectors test results then sad really sad indeed

[soopaman2]

America will do what the far right MIC wants them to do and will accept it or get the Patriot act sicced on them. The people and their will, face devouring at the hands of our so called protectors.

Syria, got oil, close to people with oil...

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