WWII vet, 88, brutally beaten to death in Spokane, Wash.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Where does one get their morals?

Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

And I agree as well.

I'm inclined to believe that kids are left to raise themselves these days.




It is a real shame that three strong pick on the one elderly weak for a few dollars. It is a real shame this gentleman put his life on the line so three punks have the freedom to take his valuables and leave him for dead. Perhaps more accountability from parents is the answer.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

I see Happy Valley hasn't converted you yet.

Note, Send more cookies and jello salad to Ducimus' house.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion...

Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

No doubt it has a impact. Ducimus cut me off at the pass in his post a few back and I left it at that. I did not want to turn thread into a discussion of religion.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.

Read post #20.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Read post #20.

Originally Posted by Armistead

morals have been redefined.

I believe you cannot really redefine morals. I mean, one can change whatever he/she likes about their definition to justify their opposition, or lack of dedication to them, but the only thing that's really changing is one's regard or disregard for them.
Just because the masses accept an immorality as now being moral, doesn't actually make it moral. It only changes their opinion/perspective of the morality.
OK, my apologies for the OT.

[Ducimus]

How often are the words "Honor" and "Integrity" used in today's society? Not very much i wager.

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:

On my honor, I will not lie, cheat, steal, commit any act of intentional dishonesty, nor tolerate those who do.

I had those words drilled into my head as a teen, and have tried to live by it for most of my life. Mostly successful, sometimes not.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:

Very similar to a few of the 10 commandments.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

How often are the words "Honor" and "Integrity" used in today's society? Not very much i wager.

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:



I had those words drilled into my head as a teen, and have tried to live by it for most of my life. Mostly successful, sometimes not.

Nobody is perfect, that includes, most of all, me.