OT An interesting POV of the seeds of WWII.

pabbi · 07-05-13, 06:49 AM

The "rigth" story is always told by the winner. And no i'm not a nazy.

in_vino_vomitus · 07-05-13, 07:45 AM

It's interesting to read what "ought" to have been done, written in the light of what actually was done. On the subject of the seeds of WWII, I suspect that if the allies had shown a little more compassion after WWI then the environment that led to the rise of the Nazis might never have come to be. And regarding the excesses of that regime, don't forget that most of them spent their formative years dealing with carnage on an industrial scale. I'm not making apologies here either, I'm just saying that we did our part to give Hitler a fertile recruiting ground and a direction to his rhetoric.

I often wonder how things would have turned out if, after the Somme debacle, King George had written a letter to his cousin, the Kaiser, and said "Look Wilhelm - nobody's winning here, let's just stop." Of course that was never going to happen and it's impossible to second guess minds that thought that machine guns were effeminate and the bayonet was the way to win battles. As an aside, I can't help thinking that the closing line of "Apologia" by Wilfred Owen, was directed specifically at king George, rather than the population at large, when he said "These men are worth your tears. You are not worth their merriment."

Anyway, my point is that if you want to talk about the origins of WWII, you could go back a long way if you wanted to.

HertogJan · 07-05-13, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by in_vino_vomitus

It's interesting to read what "ought" to have been done, written in the light of what actually was done. On the subject of the seeds of WWII, I suspect that if the allies had shown a little more compassion after WWI then the environment that led to the rise of the Nazis might never have come to be. And regarding the excesses of that regime, don't forget that most of them spent their formative years dealing with carnage on an industrial scale. I'm not making apologies here either, I'm just saying that we did our part to give Hitler a fertile recruiting ground and a direction to his rhetoric.

I often wonder how things would have turned out if, after the Somme debacle, King George had written a letter to his cousin, the Kaiser, and said "Look Wilhelm - nobody's winning here, let's just stop." Of course that was never going to happen and it's impossible to second guess minds that thought that machine guns were effeminate and the bayonet was the way to win battles. As an aside, I can't help thinking that the closing line of "Apologia" by Wilfred Owen, was directed specifically at king George, rather than the population at large, when he said "These men are worth your tears. You are not worth their merriment."

Anyway, my point is that if you want to talk about the origins of WWII, you could go back a long way if you wanted to.

+1 Totally agree

Can't add anything to that other then:
History write's the future and the future becomes history.

Archer7seven · 07-06-13, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pabbi

The "rigth" story is always told by the winner. And no i'm not a nazy.

History is written by the winners, and it started long before world war 2, such a belief makes you a realist.

joea · 07-08-13, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Archer7seven

History is written by the winners, and it started long before world war 2, such a belief makes you a realist.

Bollocks, This myth has to stop. History is written by everyone and "losers" certainly have their own version of history. Southerners in the US certainly do, from moderate revisionist views to full blown neo-confederate history.

BrucePartington · 07-08-13, 09:37 AM

OK, out of curiosity I've skimmed through the documentary, to get a feel for what it's conveying.

What? No mention of concentration camps? No Jews, minorities, or weaklings were ever sent to Auschwitz and Buchenwald?
Let me guess: gassing and cremation of Jews never happened?
No Warsaw ghetto either?

And the people who made this so called documentary actually have the nerve to call the French and Brits "warmongers", trying to draw attention from themselves, while trying to brainwash weak minded people in a clear effort to try and recruit them to a renewed Nazi party. How do they plan to take over? The night of the long knives all over again?

Who needs a time machine? Mankind is bound to repeat its mistakes over and over again.

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07-08-13, 09:37 AM	#6
BrucePartington XO Join Date: May 2013 Location: KM AM99 Posts: 405 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	OK, out of curiosity I've skimmed through the documentary, to get a feel for what it's conveying. What? No mention of concentration camps? No Jews, minorities, or weaklings were ever sent to Auschwitz and Buchenwald? Let me guess: gassing and cremation of Jews never happened? No Warsaw ghetto either? And the people who made this so called documentary actually have the nerve to call the French and Brits "warmongers", trying to draw attention from themselves, while trying to brainwash weak minded people in a clear effort to try and recruit them to a renewed Nazi party. How do they plan to take over? The night of the long knives all over again? Who needs a time machine? Mankind is bound to repeat its mistakes over and over again.