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Old 06-22-13, 08:45 AM   #31
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All this hubbub over a silly slang term for people of color.
A silly slang term with 200 years of intimidation, insult, oppression and hatred behind it. There's a very good reason for the way it's looked at today.
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Old 06-22-13, 09:02 AM   #32
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A silly slang term with 200 years of intimidation, insult, oppression and hatred behind it. There's a very good reason for the way it's looked at today.
That's a given for sure.
Words are just words until they are propelled with malicious intent.

I am not, by any means, defending Ms Deen for being an insensitive bigot. A poor excuse for an employer she is but, nobody is perfect.
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Old 06-22-13, 11:32 AM   #33
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It depends on your generation, many people in history are no longer taught about because they get replaced by 'up and comers'. Only the very elderly, or total book worms would know everyone on the left...where as the person on the right made her face well known through social media.

Education in High School isn't about trying to teach someone the entire history on the universe, it's more about preparing someone for the future in the world that exists at the moment. If one wants to know more about a certain subject, then they would go to College and major in that particular subject.
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All this hubbub over a silly slang term for people of color.
I would like to point out that if one group does not find a phrase offensive, that does not preclude another group to find it offensive.

Hubbub is in the eye of the beholder

And while it is not fair nor equal, there are specific types of hubbub that are protected by law.
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Old 06-22-13, 02:27 PM   #35
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It depends on your generation, many people in history are no longer taught about because they get replaced by 'up and comers'. Only the very elderly, or total book worms would know everyone on the left...where as the person on the right made her face well known through social media.
True enough, but I think the real ramification involves not knowing even one person on the left. I didn't know all of them. If social media is more important to a person than anything else, then there truly is a problem. Again, not with one person, but with the collective.

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Education in High School isn't about trying to teach someone the entire history on the universe, it's more about preparing someone for the future in the world that exists at the moment. If one wants to know more about a certain subject, then they would go to College and major in that particular subject.
I never said anything about high school or what it teaches, and neither did the picture. I think it's adults we're talking about here; adults who shape the world. I also think it's not about really knowing who is who on any level. It's about caring about more important things that who is laying whom. 'Snookie' seems to be a product of what we used to call "famous for being famous"; people who have contributed nothing worthwhile to the world, yet are known by everyone. That is indeed a problem.
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It depends on your generation, many people in history are no longer taught about because they get replaced by 'up and comers'. Only the very elderly, or total book worms would know everyone on the left...where as the person on the right made her face well known through social media.
How many people on the left of the picture have featured in the news in the past month?
Is it all of them, all of them , all of them or all of them?
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I would also opine that more people would recognize these people by name than by their appearance.

I like to think of myself as a history nerd, but I did not recognize all of these pictures, but I do recognize all of their names. That's because few of the history books I read had these people's pictures but all of them had their names.

A better test would be to list all the names and see how many people do not recognize any from the left side but do recognize the one on the right side.
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Good point.
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This reminds me of a 1960 film The Time Machine;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tim...81960_film%29;
http://viooz.co/movies/9413-the-time-machine-1960.html;

After stopping at some familiar (to us viewers) moments of 20th century history, the time traveler finally arrives to a time in a very distant future, where people just don't care about anything. A woman is drowning and everybody around is indifferent. He saves her, and she is also indifferent for having been saved. Books are totally ignored and abandoned in an old library gathering dust. There is more but I will not spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

I may not be adding anything to this discussion, but I felt like venting. This is one of the topics I am really concerned about in our civilization. Yes we have reality shows here too, along with "snookies" and everything. In one occasion one of them stated that Africa was a country in northern Europe (sigh). Everybody laughed but me, which worried me even more.

And I totally subscribe to what Steve said. I am worried that the collective is more interested in the "famous for being famous" than in real heroes that helped change civilization for the better.
These are topics that keep pounding inside my head. Sometimes I prefer to just ignore things, as they make me so sad. And the way I vent may make me come across to you as goofy, but that is my self-protection system at work, releasing pressure to preserve my sanity.
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This reminds me of a 1960 film The Time Machine.
I saw it in the theater when it was first released. It's still one of my favorites. I have to ask, though: You do know it was based on a brilliant novel by

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I saw it in the theater when it was first released. It's still one of my favorites. I have to ask, though: You do know it was based on a brilliant novel by

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H.G. Verne.

Yeah, I used to always get the two mixed up.
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Yeah, I used to always get the two mixed up.
How could you possibly do that? One's English, one's French. No similarity at all!


Then of course there's that great American speculative fiction writer S.L. Clemens.
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Then of course there's that great American speculative fiction writer S.L. Clemens.
He did leave his mark on American Lit.
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H.G. Wells. I do now, so my answer is not fair. I did Google it up when I was looking for info on the movie before posting it.
Simple as it is, I never forgot this movie. Without any fancy modern special effects, it is quite interesting as it presents us with two interesting topics: time travel, and human behavior. Somehow I think older movies were a bit more intelligent. Many of modern movies promote "snookies" who believe Das Boot is the most disgusting thing ever filmed and a deservice to any navy and sailor.
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The original book is quite good. Wells is one of my favourite authors.
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