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Old 05-30-13, 08:35 PM   #1
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Not to shoot for the obvious fact that you know when you're getting out of federl prison, you also don't get tortured there.

Standing up for the kind of people locked up in Guantanamo doesn't sit well with me, but it's hardly the right answer or even close.

The problem is that several of the people in there have been deemed to not be a threat to the US (in other words innocent of what ever they where "charged" with) yet they are stuck.Most of the people on this hunger strike are in this situation.

That place is pretty bad I know a man that was a corpsman in the US Navy he served in Iraq for a bit before going to Gitmo.He was very disturbed by the situation and left the Navy as a result of what he saw at Gitmo.He did not convert to Islam or anything like that but what ever it was he did not like it and is afraid to go into any detail.
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The truth about GITMO is they are living better there than they could ever hope to live in their home country.
The truth about GITMO is that it is a very nasty stain on America.
The fact that people are coming up with nonsensical justifications for its continued existance show how deeply the stain has spread through the fabric of the nation.
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^ Right that.

I am not sure whether there was and is no torture in 'Gitmo', as it is so neatly called.
Ok it seems the military did all to fly the assumed terrorists around the world, to let them be tortured in countries where it is 'allowed', but the pictures and films you see of Guantanamo are not very convincing to say at least.
We also know a lot of the prisoners have nothing to do with terrorist acting, just being at the wrong place at the wrong time - not that they even faced a trial, just 'caught' randomly to push up numbers and have something to present.
The US regards their military bases abroad as extraterritorial areas, being not subject to american legal jurisdiction, it is 'off limits' in any respect. Not only Guantanamo, b.t.w..

And to say that prisoners there have a good life ?!
Seriously

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Old 05-31-13, 03:43 PM   #4
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A gilded cage is still a cage.
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Old 05-31-13, 05:15 PM   #5
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A gilded cage, especially for the innocent without trial ..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...mg.2ENftoYBZLo


All Guantánamo Prisoners Were Subjected to “Pharmacological Waterboarding”:

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/201...waterboarding/


" ... These techniques — and the chilling theory of “learned helplessness” that underpinned it, which was designed to destroy the minds of prisoners so thoroughly that they became utterly dependent on their jailers — were intended to “break” prisoners so that they would confess, but it should also have been obvious that they would most effectively secure false confessions, rather than anything resembling the truth. For some involved in the program, this was not obvious — and this blindness to reality remains a problem that afflicts all those who still argue that the use of torture is a valuable tool — but for others the production of false confessions was very useful indeed.

This can be seen in particular in a false confession extracted from Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, the head of an Afghan training camp, who was rendered to Egypt, where he was tortured until he confessed that Saddam Hussein had met al-Qaeda representatives to discuss the use of chemical and biological weapons. Al-Libi later retracted his false confession — before he was eventually flown back to Libya, where, last May, he died, allegedly by committing suicide in prison — but this was of no concern to Dick Cheney, who used his tortured lies to justify the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. ..."

Better stop this farce.


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Maybe we should move them to Oklahoma.
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