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Old 05-05-13, 01:57 AM   #1
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(edit) It seems like somehow America is always the (a-hole) in cases like this because we are blamed for Israel existing (Not the Brits who really made them)
Under the terms the Brits set Israel could never be made, America gets the "blame" for swinging the UN vote despite the terms that had been set.
Britain(and France) get the blame for the mess they made with their local mandates.
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Old 05-05-13, 02:02 AM   #2
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Good for them. (or better them than us?)
As far as diplomacy politics and PR works i would not be surprised.
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Old 05-05-13, 02:10 AM   #3
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Under the terms the Brits set Israel could never be made, America gets the "blame" for swinging the UN vote despite the terms that had been set.
Britain(and France) get the blame for the mess they made with their local mandates.

Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.

*nudges Alquaida and whatever other hairbrained morons to blow up someone else every coupla years, just to give us a chance to recover,)

After all we are fighting in 2 countries still, give us a handicap.
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Old 05-05-13, 02:32 AM   #4
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Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.
That is very weak.....
Kudos to Al Qaeda.

Blame Theodor Hertz.

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Old 05-05-13, 04:39 AM   #5
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Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.
If you take a job you take the flak that goes with it.
Look at it this way for a simple comparison. In the early 50s France was drawing the ire and aggression in Indo-China, 20 years later it was the US getting it.
That is the result of policy choices America chose to take.
If you don't like the "blame" that goes with policies you choose then don't choose those policies. If you do choose those policies then don't complain about the "blame" that goes with it.
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Israel struck a chemical weapons research facility in or near Damascus now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482
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Wondered when this would start. I expect Israel to be kept busy for a while, and it'll help keep Bennys coalition together a bit.
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Old 05-05-13, 05:52 AM   #8
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This may well speed up the demise of Assads regime if it goes on for long.
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Wondered when this would start. I expect Israel to be kept busy for a while, and it'll help keep Bennys coalition together a bit.
Please clarify.
What?
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Old 05-05-13, 08:12 AM   #10
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Assad is already oainting Israel as cooperating with terrorists. That way it could backfire against Israel if the Muslim crowds across the orient indeed would believe that.

For Israel, there seem to be no other practicable options than doing like it just did.

Now that Israel has seen what Obama's red line line getting crossed caused in announced "serious consequences" - essentially nothing, just now formally giving the fundamentalist militias weapons that before where financed by the CIA who gave money to the apparently broken Saudis who bought weapons with that CIA money on the black market and gave them to the rebels - , it must feel in creasingly lonely both with regard to Syria and Iran as well. That recently improved MOPs were demonstrated to an Israeli delegation to appease Israel, will not mean much for Jerusalem. Israel has no platform to deliver such weapons if it gets them, leaving the decisive control again to Barrack Red Line Obama, and I also do not believe that even repeated bombings with such weapons in one precision target slot can move whole mountains.

I am also wondering whether that is just a translation thing, or indicates more: German media recently said that president Red Line would still consider military options if - translated back from the German - the Iranians would use or consider the use of nuclear weapons. I wonder if that is just a slip of the German quality journalists, or really was said like that in original English, since before it always was said that military options would be considered before Iran gains access to nuclear weapons...!?

If Israel continues to sit still, that this is not because they put their trust in Obama. They do not, I have no doubt, they just realize that the Iranian job is far bigger than what they can handle all by themselves (assuming Jerusalem would not authorize the use of Israeli nukes first).
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You guys finally caved, huh?
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You guys finally caved, huh?
He started it!
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