Okey truther now you can change your belief

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Takeda, I get that you are not a fan Conspiricy stuff which is fair enough, but doesn't 'General topics' mean anything goes so long as it is in line with Subsims rules?
I dont see why its such a problem for people to discuss this sort of thing if they want to, and/or ignore it if they dont.
If a topic is unpopular it will die of natural causes because no ones wants to feed it. It really doesnt need to be policed.

Because if you ignore it, then it becomes commonplace. And then you see what we have today; a forum that is saturated with it. No, being silent and keeping your eyes on the ground is not the way to deal with this sort of thing. It's all about what kind of forum you want to have and having your voice heard. Don't let a minority run everyone else off.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Because if you ignore it, then it becomes commonplace. And then you see what we have today; a forum that is saturated with it. No, being silent and keeping your eyes on the ground is not the way to deal with this sort of thing. It's all about what kind of forum you want to have and having your voice heard. Don't let a minority run everyone else off.

Ok, but I must admit that Im really not seeing this saturation you talk about....sorry.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Ok, but I must admit that Im really not seeing this saturation you talk about....sorry.

Really? You're not seeing the talk about government conspiracy, "manufactured reality", drone attacks against citizens and whatnot in threads up and down the front page? It's in virtually every discussion thread here. It's pervasive.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Really? You're not seeing the talk about government conspiracy, "manufactured reality", drone attacks against citizens and whatnot in threads up and down the front page? It's in virtually every discussion thread here. It's pervasive.

Im seeing the odd post here and there, usually from the same people (who can be counted on one hand more or less)
But it tends to be best contained when its either ignored or humoured, but when it gets a seriouse response, then it can go on and on.

If you truley believe it is such a problem, I would suggest making a simple poll along the lines of, "Should conspiricy therory discussion be banned from GT?"
Poll choices: yes/ No /Dont care.
Depending on the results, you can take it to Neal and request that conspiricy talk be banned from GT, or maybe have it relocated to a sub-forum of sorts.

Because I think there are a few problems with your current approach of stamping on each post or poster you encounter.
1) Its a crusade you will probably never win.
2) It only bumps the topics up and invites further discussion in them.
3) Its not abundantly clear if you are acting in the best intreast of the majority (fine) or just doing it because you personally dont approve of it(not so fine)
4) It comes accross as slightly bully-ish which doesn't reflect so well on you. (even if and when you are in the right)

Just my 2 cents - take it or leave it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

1) You will never win.

By myself, no. Together, yes we can change things.

2) It only bumps the topics up and invites further discussion in them.

For that thread, yes. For future threads, no. It's about the long term.

3) Its not abundantly clear if you are acting in the best intreast of the majority (fine) or just doing it because you personally dont approve of it(not so fine)

That's why we can decide to take a stand as a community. No one man does it alone. Right now, just letting people run hog wild isn't working. You don't troll them. You don't violate any rules. You just let your voice be heard. Silence doesn't do that.

4) It comes accross as slighlty bully-ish which it doesn't reflect very well on you - especially as a moderator.

I'm not a moderator.

[JU_88]

You used to be moderator , or at least i thought you were once - so my bad.

Yes 'we' can change things, but reason I suggested a poll is to establish exactly who 'we' is first...
You'd be better off making a considerate case to change the rules, rather than trying to bull doze though some kind of ettiquette though flame wars.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

You used to be moderator , or at least i thought you were once - so my bad.

Yes 'we' can change things, but reason I suggested a poll is to establish exactly who 'we' is first...
You'd be better off making a considerate case to change the rules, rather than trying to bull doze though some kind of ettiquette though flame wars.

Why? That technique seems to work for the other side. Why do I have to play nice when others are not bound by those same rules? Why are said rules not uniformly enforced?

[Jimbuna]

Most of my time in the past couple of days has been spent keeping up to speed in the GT section and I am adamant there will be no flame wars here and said rules/ettiquette WILL be uniformly expected of ALL participants who post here.

On that you have my word.