public safety exception to Miranda

[em2nought]

Maybe they just wanted a reason to send him back to Putin.

[GoldenRivet]

There *was* an imminent threat to public safety and the clause *is* applicable in this case.

Why?

The authorities had to ensure that he is not part of a larger cell or that additional bombings or attacks were not in the works or already in place hidden elsewhere that had yet to be discovered.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

There *was* an imminent threat to public safety and the clause *is* applicable in this case.

Why?

The authorities had to ensure that he is not part of a larger cell or that additional bombings or attacks were not in the works or already in place hidden elsewhere that had yet to be discovered.

Well that is my initial understanding.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Maybe they just wanted a reason to send him back to Putin.

Now thats worse than waterboarding

[Schroeder]

This can become a very slippery slope....

[Oberon]

They really have to do things as by the book as possible here, the last thing you want to happen is for the proceedings to be mucked up because someone didn't dot their i or cross their t, the general public will be annoyed at the money that will be spent on this case anyway, so any more that's spent through delays is just going to inflame public opinion.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

This is why I strongly oppose classifying US Citizens as "enemy combatants" for the purpose of imprisoning them without a trial.

This guy may be a scumbag, and probably is. But as a US Citizen, he still has his constitutional rights even though we may hate his guts.

Same here. Reclassifying US citizens (scumbag though they may be), is a scary thing. This goes hand in hand with "politics of fear" and the ever increasing erosion of our civil rights.

While I personally would love nothing more then to kick the scumbag's teeth in with an old steel toe work boot, he is a citizen, and as thus is entitled by right, to due process. Just because we my hate the guys guts, doesn't change that.

Originally Posted by Schroeder

This can become a very slippery slope....

Indeed.



As an aside, there's already a couple videos on this issue. That talk about this very issue.

I've posted this guys videos on the gun rights issue. Again, he makes a good point.

I found this gal awhile ago on youtube. She makes a point, but has fun doing it.


Oh yeah. I've definately turned Libertarian. Then again, maybe I always was but didn't realize it. Meh. Anway, my final thought on this subject:

the constitution and the bill of rights is the supreme law of the land, it is the very framework upon which our country is built. As such it trumps anything our politicians want or say. We can't just pick and choose which parts we like and discard the parts we don't. We have to abide by it 100%, else our entire framework looses integrity, and things goes spiraling downward the slippery slope out of control. Or, In metaphor, If America was likened to a building that was severely damaged by disaster, you don't go about trying to repair the building by cutting away at it's structural support with a torch or beating on it with a sledgehammer. We want to save and repair the building, not make it fall down.