Charlie does surf!

[Stealhead]

I do not know if you will like it very much it is not exactly pro military.In fact Vietnam is really just the setting of the story which is an adaption of the story "Heart of Darkness" it is really about one man hunting down another man who has gone "of the reservation". You will love the Do Lung Bridge scene Jimi Hendrix acid,heroin and an M-79 are deadly to the NVA. Judging from your posts you might take offense to some things that it shows though honestly most of the things it shows did happen in Vietnam sometimes not to say that every troop did them.

Of course all that being said you most likely enjoy "Full Metal Jacket" and that film has an anti war message you missed it I bet.So I'll explain;Joker always said that he was a killer
and maybe he did kill some of the enemy from a distance but in combat with everyone firing you usually have no idea that you killed someone for certain you know as a group that you did but not on the individual level. At the end when he could have executed the female sniper that had killed his very good friend Cowboy he was unable to do so even though this person had taken a personal friend of his.
He was not able to be the idealized killing machine.

Apocalypse Now is a very good movie the best out of the last half of the 20th century.The music and sound are amazing.

If you watch it go ahead and watch "Redux" it has nearly an hour of scenes that where fully finished but cut from the original release.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I do not know if you will like it very much it is not exactly pro military.In fact Vietnam is really just the setting of the story which is an adaption of the story "Heart of Darkness" it is really about one man hunting down another man who has gone "of the reservation". You will love the Do Lung Bridge scene Jimi Hendrix acid,heroin and an M-79 are deadly to the NVA. Judging from your posts you might take offense to some things that it shows though honestly most of the things it shows did happen in Vietnam sometimes not to say that every troop did them.

Of course all that being said you most likely enjoy "Full Metal Jacket" and that film has an anti war message you missed it I bet.So I'll explain;Joker always said that he was a killer
and maybe he did kill some of the enemy from a distance but in combat with everyone firing you usually have no idea that you killed someone for certain you know as a group that you did but not on the individual level. At the end when he could have executed the female sniper that had killed his very good friend Cowboy he was unable to do so even though this person had taken a personal friend of his.
He was not able to be the idealized killing machine.

I really liked Full Metal Jacket and Platoon. I don't care what you say...Charlie Sheen was a pretty darn good actor back in the day. They had antiwar messages. It is true that I'm pro-military but it doesn't mean that these movies have a good message and there are some that I really like.

Apocalypse Now is a very good movie the best out of the last half of the 20th century.The music and sound are amazing.

If you watch it go ahead and watch "Redux" it has nearly an hour of scenes that where fully finished but cut from the original release.

I'm sure my uncle has a copy on DVD somewhere. I could probably get him to send me a copy. He's a big war movie guy and has tons of them.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I really liked Full Metal Jacket and Platoon. I don't care what you say...Charlie Sheen was a pretty darn good actor back in the day. They had antiwar messages. It is true that I'm pro-military but it doesn't mean that these movies have a good message and there are some that I really like.



I'm sure my uncle has a copy on DVD somewhere. I could probably get him to send me a copy. He's a big war movie guy and has tons of them.

Did you even read my post? I said in it that Apocalypse Now is one of the best movies of the 20th Century.I never once said that Charlie Sheen was a bad actor. I will shortly though.

Martin Sheen starred in Apocalypse Now not his son Charlie Sheen.

Charlie Sheen starred in Platoon then in 1990 he stared in Navy Seals and shot his career in the foot and has never recovered.

As for Platoon the best actor in that film by far is William Dafoe.

I'm surprised that you get so riled up by people on this forum when they say even the slightest anti-military or anti-war notion yet you have no problem watching a movie that has an anti-war message and deceptions American soldiers using drugs and killing innocent civilians.How that what not get you a little riled when this forum can that surprises me.Unless of course you enjoy the simulated combat so much that you do not care about the fluff.

You should watch "Born on the Forth of July" some time the main character in his youth reminds me of you or at least how you appear to be on this forum.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Did you even read my post? I said in it that Apocalypse Now is one of the best movies of the 20th Century.I never once said that Charlie Sheen was a bad actor. I will shortly though.

I read the post. I was also thinking about other movies when I replied.

Martin Sheen starred in Apocalypse Now not his son Charlie Sheen.

I actually did not know that.

Charlie Sheen starred in Platoon then in 1990 he stared in Navy Seals and shot his career in the foot and has never recovered.

I liked Red Dawn, Platoon, Navy Seals and the Major League movies.

As for Platoon the best actor in that film by far is William Dafoe.

It's the only movie that I like him in. I hated Willem Dafoe in Clear And Present Danger.

I'm surprised that you get so riled up by people on this forum when they say even the slightest anti-military or anti-war notion yet you have no problem watching a movie that has an anti-war message and deceptions American soldiers using drugs and killing innocent civilians.How that what not get you a little riled when this forum can that surprises me.Unless of course you enjoy the simulated combat so much that you do not care about the fluff.

It does make me a little annoyed to a certain extent. I like war movies from all points of view. Honestly, it really depends on what kind of mood I'm in. There are times where I'll get all riled up over something I clearly know nothing about and there are times when I'm willing to take a step back and look at the big picture. Last time when I had my most recent rant-argument with you, I was closed minded and I did not look at all the information or points of view. I'm pretty defensive sometimes. I think that came from my childhood of being bullied every day for 6 years.

You should watch "Born on the Forth of July" some time the main character in his youth reminds me of you or at least how you appear to be on this forum.

I really want to watch it one of these days. Hopefully I'll get to see it soon. Sailor Steve recommended it to me a while back. How I appear on this forum is, I'm sure, a lot different than how I am in real life. Here, I think most of my GT posts are about what I am currently thinking about and some of the posts definitely reflect my mood. I'm not too good at holding up an argument online either.

I would say that if I had some sort of flaw. It would be my defensiveness or my shyness. Every once in a while, (just did this last week) I will set something down, forget about it, and accuse somebody of stealing it....and then realizing it's where I put it. I'm just so used to people taking my stuff and hiding it that it's my first reaction.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I would say that if I had some sort of flaw. It would be my defensiveness or my shyness. Every once in a while, (just did this last week) I will set something down, forget about it, and accuse somebody of stealing it....and then realizing it's where I put it. I'm just so used to people taking my stuff and hiding it that it's my first reaction.

That sounds more like a lack of confidence.If people are taking your things and hiding them most likely they are doing it because of how you react to it.You really do not want to be that person because people will do that to you everywhere not just in school.

You say that you like the Russian girls at your school right? Well reacting to people teasing you wont make any girls particularly interested in you.Especially not a Russian or Ukrainian girl these people are pretty tough and minor things do not bother them so they will not consider a dude that gets mad when people hide his stuff particularly interesting.

And don't get to upset about being socially awkward in high school.Of course you should work on behaviors that attract unwanted attention.

You cant possibly do worse than me.I did not get picked on and no one hid my stuff from me not beyond the usual antics of friends.However I was pretty dense in the body language department and totally missed out on ques from several girls that they where interested in me.What can I say I am no Wilt Chamberlain.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That sounds more like a lack of confidence.If people are taking your things and hiding them most likely they are doing it because of how you react to it.You really do not want to be that person because people will do that to you everywhere not just in school.

I'm a lot better than I used to be on this.

You say that you like the Russian girls at your school right? Well reacting to people teasing you wont make any girls particularly interested in you.Especially not a Russian or Ukrainian girl these people are pretty tough and minor things do not bother them so they will not consider a dude that gets mad when people hide his stuff particularly interesting.

No. That was Cybermat that likes the Russians. I've only gotten mad about that last week and that was the only time anybody's tried that for a few months. I don't get really mad. It's just something that slightly annoys me. I don't get up and yell and attack somebody over it. It usually is just me asking them if they took it and them laughing cause it's somewhere obvious.

And don't get to upset about being socially awkward in high school.Of course you should work on behaviors that attract unwanted attention.

Unwanted attention? I get about as much attention as a white crayon. I'm a lot better than I once was. There was that one girl that I had talked to for months and asked her out.... She avoided me for 3 weeks. She will talk to me now though.

You cant possibly do worse than me.I did not get picked on and no one hid my stuff from me not beyond the usual antics of friends.However I was pretty dense in the body language department and totally missed out on ques from several girls that they where interested in me.What can I say I am no Wilt Chamberlain.

I'm no Wilt Chamberlain either....Have you SEEN me play basketball?! I'll stick to baseball...I'm actually good at that. I'm not too great at describing myself to people who don't know me so sometimes you might think one thing when actually it's not true. But I don't know. It's 725 AM. Too early for deep thought.

Our last baseball game was rough. I saw two of my friends collide in Centerfield and one of them had to be carted off in an ambulance. He's fine now....and we ended up tying the game. I just had another friend the other day take a baseball to the throat and get knocked out. Too many injuries....

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'm a lot better than I used to be on this.



No. That was Cybermat that likes the Russians.



Unwanted attention? I get about as much attention as a white crayon. I'm a lot better than I once was. There was that one girl that I had talked to for months and asked her out.... She avoided me for 3 weeks. She will talk to me now though.



I'm no Wilt Chamberlain either....Have you SEEN me play basketball?!

I guess your name had me associating those statements to you.I recall one of you younger guys mentioning Russian girls a few weeks back.

Your concern anyway should be can you stand to be around a particular girl/woman for so than anything else.Of course that is not something that can always be assessed.

For example I did several 3 and 4 month TDY to Turkey before I was married.Turkish woman vary widely from extremely traditional to extremely err non-traditional.A buddy of mine that was permanently posted at this base he got "stuck" in relationship that was more on the traditional end.That was not his plan but he did not want to explain this to the woman so he restricted himself to base in order to avoid her and believe me she was looking for him not to have her family kill or anything of that nature she just wanted to get married.I was half way tempted to sign her into the base so she could find my buddy but I don't think he would appreciated my humor.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I do not know if you will like it very much it is not exactly pro military.In fact Vietnam is really just the setting of the story which is an adaption of the story "Heart of Darkness" it is really about one man hunting down another man who has gone "of the reservation". You will love the Do Lung Bridge scene Jimi Hendrix acid,heroin and an M-79 are deadly to the NVA. Judging from your posts you might take offense to some things that it shows though honestly most of the things it shows did happen in Vietnam sometimes not to say that every troop did them.

Of course all that being said you most likely enjoy "Full Metal Jacket" and that film has an anti war message you missed it I bet.So I'll explain;Joker always said that he was a killer
and maybe he did kill some of the enemy from a distance but in combat with everyone firing you usually have no idea that you killed someone for certain you know as a group that you did but not on the individual level. At the end when he could have executed the female sniper that had killed his very good friend Cowboy he was unable to do so even though this person had taken a personal friend of his.
He was not able to be the idealized killing machine.

Apocalypse Now is a very good movie the best out of the last half of the 20th century.The music and sound are amazing.

If you watch it go ahead and watch "Redux" it has nearly an hour of scenes that where fully finished but cut from the original release.

Joker did execute the female sniper in the movie.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Joker did execute the female sniper in the movie.

Well I have not seen the film in a while at any rate he had great difficulty in doing so and did no enjoy it unlike his comrades(and his on stated feelings prior to that series of events) so my point about Joker failing to become the idealized "killer" is true(in the fact that he did not enjoy the kill when it was so up close and personal which the idealized killer is supposed to revel in) That was also the only person in the entire film that Joker clearly caused the death of.


I have always felt that Animal Mother at the end while he stands and watches and waits for Joker to kill the sniper in this scene his face makes you think of Pyle I wonder if that was intended or not.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well I have not seen the film in a while at any rate he had great difficulty in doing so and did no enjoy it unlike his comrades(and his on stated feelings prior to that series of events) so my point about Joker failing to become the idealized "killer" is true(in the fact that he did not enjoy the kill when it was so up close and personal which the idealized killer is supposed to revel in) That was also the only person in the entire film that Joker clearly caused the death of.


I have always felt that Animal Mother at the end while he stands and watches and waits for Joker to kill the sniper in this scene his face makes you think of Pyle I wonder if that was intended or not.

It was not my intention to offend or start an argument, I was only making the correction that he did pull the trigger...Whether he liked it or not, or what Kubrick intended the viewer to see was irrelevant concerning my post.

A viewer walks away from a film with their own opinions. That is what usually makes a good film.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by donna52522

It was not my intention to offend or start an argument, I was only making the correction that he did pull the trigger...Whether he liked it or not, or what Kubrick intended the viewer to see was irrelevant concerning my post.

A viewer walks away from a film with their own opinions. That is what usually makes a good film.

Fear not for no offense was taken.

I was just trying to express my interpretation clearly in light of my brain fart about Joker.

I was actually wondering how others had interpreted Jokers transition from civilian to solider and finally killer.

[Platapus]

For me FMJ was one of those movies that when it was done, I just sat there.
That's a sign of a powerful movie to me.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

For me FMJ was one of those movies that when it was done, I just sat there.
That's a sign of a powerful movie to me.

What is amazing about FMJ is that the entire film was shot at an abandoned gas works in London (or somewhere near London in the UK).Kubrick refused to film outside of the London area.To watch the movie you would assume that it was filmed elsewhere.

I have only viewed FMJ a few times myself.I had no foreknowledge about Pyle shooting himself in the head and found that scene rather disturbing having never seen something like that before.

[August]

It wasn't so much an execution as it was a mercy killing. Even she was asking for them to shoot her.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Joker did execute the female sniper in the movie.

He did indeed