someone please explain the 9mm ammo shortage

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It either has a Tula marking or an Izhmash marking it wont have both.an easy way to find out is by looking at the receiver a pre 1942 rifle will have a hexagonal shape in front of the bolt.


Maybe you should use this because I doubt that you have a dragoon.

It has the Izhmash marking for sure.

The date that is stamped on there is 1934. I doubt I have a dragoon...but there's this little part of me that is hoping.

I'll have to take a better look at it. Hang on.


EDIT: It's a hex bolt Izhmash from 1934. I'm sure of that.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

It has the Izhmash marking for sure.

The date that is stamped on there is 1934. I doubt I have a dragoon...but there's this little part of me that is hoping.

I'll have to take a better look at it. Hang on.

The stamp is it a triangle or a star? Star with an arrow inside is Tula.Triangle with an arrow is Izhmash.If the Triangle has a "T" inside its Finnish.

Here is page showing all of the marks and proofs look though these as you can also ID if your was once a sniper rifle.
Column 18 shows the sniper markings.Yours was most likely not because it has only one date stamp.But when you go to buy one look for the sniper proofs and ask the seller to show every Mosin that they have because you want to find the best one.It may not be the one that has the sniper proofs.
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm


They did take some dragoons and "Cossacks" (a dragoon with no bayonet mounting) and convert them to 91/30 standards of course in this case they are not as valuable as an unconverted dragoon.You would also have to take one apart to tell if it was converted but not at a level that a gun owner should feel uncomfortable with..The site does not go into detail about how to ID a converted dragoon.There are also 91/30s that where selected as sniper rifles and then when at a later date considered not accurate enough and converted back to a standard 91/30 again.

Measure the barrel length and look at that page I linked to according to your date it should be 48 1/2" click on that length on the page and go from there.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The stamp is it a triangle or a star? Star with an arrow inside is Tula.Triangle with an arrow is Izhmash.If the Triangle has a "T" inside its Finnish.

Ah...Crap. I read it wrong. I have a Tula. Sorry.

They did take some dragoons and "Cossacks" (a dragoon with no bayonet mounting) and convert them to 91/30 standards of course in this case they are not as valuable as an unconverted dragoon.You would also have to take one apart to tell if it was converted.The site does not go into detail about how to ID a converted dragoon.There are also 91/30s that where selected as sniper rifles and then when at a later date considered not accurate enough and converted back to a standard 91/30 again.Those would take an expert to ID though.

There's no bayonet on ours.

Measure the barrel length and look at that page I linked to according to your date it should be 48 1/2" click on that length on the page and go from there.

I'll have to do that tomorrow. I don't have time to go do that now.


Now that we've established that the Star with an Arrow is not Izhmash...

[Buddahaid]

Yeah, but it's still a very robust and well designed rifle. Really solidly made with parts that are very interchangeable. As far as those videos go, I think the damned thing kicks hard and ten rounds are enough for my spine. Especially with the steel but plate.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Yeah, but it's still a very robust and well designed rifle. Really solidly made with parts that are very interchangeable. As far as those videos go, I think the damned thing kicks hard and ten rounds are enough for my spine. Especially with the steel but plate.

I like the gun. I didn't notice a whole lot of recoil. It wasn't bad.