someone please explain the 9mm ammo shortage

[Oberon]

Aaah, the .45 and the M1911, fantastic examples of gun design. Good stoppers, solid, reliable, you can see the ancestry coming down into the design that's stood the test of time. Well over a hundred years old and still going strong, you can't say that for many weapon designs.

We used the Webley for a while, good weapon but we phased it out in favour of the Browning IIRC.

Of course, then there's the Lee Enfield, original MLE design in 1895, SMLE design in 1907, and still being used in various hotspots in the world today.

Admittedly though, the Russkies have us beat with the Mosin-Nagant, soldiering on from 1891 to the present day.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Of course, then there's the Lee Enfield, original MLE design in 1895, SMLE design in 1907, and still being used in various hotspots in the world today.

The SMLE is a good rifle. Too bad that the .303 Caliber is a major fail. If you can find a box, it's like 32$ a box. There was an Enfield for sale at a local gun shot for 150$ last time I was in there. I don't know if it's still there, but if the ammo was cheaper, I'd like to have it.

Admittedly though, the Russkies have us beat with the Mosin-Nagant, soldiering on from 1891 to the present day.

Now we've got one of those. They are a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. Mosin-Nagant + Full Metal Jacket + Various Melons = Fun

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aaah, the .45 and the M1911, fantastic examples of gun design. Good stoppers, solid, reliable, you can see the ancestry coming down into the design that's stood the test of time. Well over a hundred years old and still going strong, you can't say that for many weapon designs.

We used the Webley for a while, good weapon but we phased it out in favour of the Browning IIRC.

Of course, then there's the Lee Enfield, original MLE design in 1895, SMLE design in 1907, and still being used in various hotspots in the world today.

Admittedly though, the Russkies have us beat with the Mosin-Nagant, soldiering on from 1891 to the present day.

You mean to say 7.62x54mmR I call it Russian 7.62 the R at the end stands for rimed(no longer common with military rounds or most ammo these days).It is not the same original design round though the bullet itself gained a more conical shape(known as a "Spitzer" in German Spitzgeschoß "pointy bullet" that was in 1908 after experience in the Russo-Japanses war) in the early 20th century and the ballistic behavior has been improved a few times over the years.

The thing about your statement though it is not 100% accurate as any Mosins still around today(in tha hands of combatants) are most likely to be M1944's or the Chinese version of the same design making them 70 years old at the most.Maybe a little older if they are carrying a 91/30 and they would be firing modern round.The SMLE was produced new in Pakistan as recently as the late 1980s.

It is a good round though for a rifle it out performs(not by a huge margin) the NATO 7.62x51mm pretty good considering that the NATO round is half the age of old Russian.It is not the best round do to its rimmed nature for a metallic link belt fed machine gun but they got it to work fairly well with the PKM(though a rimless would be better in any modern MG design).

Supposedly they had a lot of trouble designing a reliable box magazine for the SVD as well this again would be due to the rimmed design.I wonder why they do not simply produce a slightly redesigned rimless version.

The M1944 though that is a handy rifle gets the job done for sure so long as you don't run rounds that run hot lest they make the bolt sticky.I like the M1944 so much I own three of them i can not honestly tell you how many rounds of 7.62x54 I have but there is a lot of it.In my opinion the Mosin-Nagant is the best rifle ever designed.Simo Häyhä thought so and sniped with iron sights taking down 505 Soviet soldiers of course with the Finnish version of the 91/30(not a carbine).