Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Residents in all 50 states have signed petitions now and amount to less than 0.5% of the US population. You got a ways to go Yubba.

EDIT: Oops I had to fix my math.

.05% is a mandate from the people!

[Ducimus]

Joy.


Original Link here.

Just The Mention Of A Gun In School

March 1st was just another day when I put my 10 year old, fourth grade son John on the bus and sent him off to school. Or so I thought. On the contrary, today was the day that my life as a gun owner was about to change, dramatically and rapidly.

Sometime during the day, my son allegedly spoke with a few of his classmates. The boys (excluding my son) were involved in a school yard pushing incident the day before. Two or three of these boys (including my son) were talking about going to the house of the boys that did the pushing. These boys were to take with them a water, paint and bb gun. Word of this got to the principal. She immediately interrogated the children. I received a call from the principal advising me of this just as my son got off the bus. She also advised me that my son was to be suspended for two days because of his words. She decided that this talk amongst students warranted filing a police report. If this wasn't bad enough, the police were sent to my residence and I was advised that my guns may be taken from me. This can't be happening, I thought. But it was.

The following Monday I received a call from Pistol Licensing that they would be at my residence in the morning to take my guns and suspend my license. I attempted to explain that this must be a mistake, no wrong doing occurred on my part. My son has no access to any of my guns. The officer that came to my residence saw that all my guns were secured.Pistol Licensing was not interested in my side of the story. They were only interested in what happened with my ten year old son in school.

If you think this can't happen to you, you are wrong. It is happening every day here in American.
Kids get suspended from school and the aftermath can be as ugly as my situation.

When will my license be restored? What is involved? What is the cost? These are all questions that I had. Some still remain unanswered. The few answers I have are not at all comforting. According to the police, I can expect to have my license restored when my son is an adult and moves out of my residence. If I don't want to wait that long I can file an Article 78 and request that my license be reinstated. The cost, so far, about $6,500 monetarily. Emotionally, the cost is far, far higher. That can't be calculated. All my handguns are gone, my license is suspended and my long arms are out of the house waiting to be sold at a local store.

What can you do to protect yourself and others? First, pick up the phone and call Senator Flanagans office. Demand that they enact legislation similar to Maryland's Senate Bill 1058. It will protect school age children, their rights and those of their parents. Second, keep a firearms attorney on your speed dial. Carry his card. Remember his number. Next, buddy up with someone you trust that has a valid pistol license. Be ready at a moments notice to transfer your guns to him. You of course will do the same for him if the need arises. That will protect your guns from becoming property of the County in which you live. Talk to your kids. This is what hurts. In order to make them "School Compliant", you will have to supress there rights to exist as children. Don't let them say "pow" when they point there little fingers. Don't let them mention guns, water, paint, bb, or other. You just learned what can happen. And it happened right here in Suffolk County, to one of us.

With any luck, and some hard work from us all, a bill comparable to 1058 will pass here in New York. Then we can begin to breathe more freely. Schools need to understand that 5-12 year olds pointing their fingers in harmless gestures, are not the threats they need to subdue. What we need to subdue is the army of over zealous, over paid, school administrators that suddenly have become the "finger pointing police",



This is the lunacy that is now in our schools. Read it and weep.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/us/pen...girl-suspended

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/05...-gun-dad-says/

http://www.gloucestercitynews.net/cl...o-lawsuit.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...during-recess/

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-stud...-screen-saver/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/elementa...paper-gun.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/five-yea...-lego-gun.html

http://www.wfmz.com/news/Regional-Po...z/-/index.html

http://chickashanews.com/local/x1303...or-gun-gesture



Another school district is requesting that a deaf students name be changed
because when using sign language his name "resembles a weapon"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...mbles-weapons/

I am confident that there are many more of these suspensions . Most, like
my son's, have yet to make it to the media. In speaking with attorneys, I have learned that these suspensions are reaching alarming levels.

The "Pastry Gun Suspension" has already started a cry for the enactment of
legislation by Senator J. B. Jennings.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...un-suspension/

Senate Bill 1058 (The Reasonable School Discipline Act of 2013) was created by Senator Jennings to eradicate these issues in Maryland.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb1058F.pdf


This is exactly the type of legislation we need here in New York to protect our children, our guns and our rights.

A good place to start is Senator Flanagans office. This occurred in his district. His phone number is 631-361-2154. His contact information can be found here

http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/john-j-flanagan/contact

Be aware. Be prepared. Be vigilant. Be safe.

[Platapus]

Yikes that is pretty sad.

It does illustrate a real threat when legislators require guns to be registered. In this case, assuming the story is true, the government did indeed use such a weapon registration list to enable them to confiscate firearms.

This appears to be no longer a possible or potential threat, but an actual example of government weapon confiscation with little probable cause.

Glad I live in a state where guns do not have to be registered.

Just The Mention Of A Gun In School

Just the mention that they are going to someones house to get revenge and are planning on bringing a weapon.
So thats conspiracy to commit a crime, and a violent crime at that.
Very different from "just the mention of a gun" isn't it
You certainly don't make a good arguement for your cause.

[August]

Interesting article:

In discussing Second Amendment issues with other gun rights advocates, I have sometimes encountered an attitude along the lines of, “Why even argue about this? If they don’t like it, they should try and repeal it.”I am actually sympathetic to this point of view because the Second Amendment speaks for itself. Regardless of what anyone thinks about gun ownership, our right to keep and bear arms is legally guaranteed by this amendment. In theory, repealing it is the only way that anyone can address this right legitimately. Theory and reality are often quite different, though. Many disagree with the constitutionality of gun control, but gun-control advocates have succeeded in getting legislation passed that most certainly infringes on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2PMADTPFQ

[Ducimus]

What was that old say... oh yes. "Best to be thought of a fool then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

Rep. Diana DeGette has removed all doubt she is a fool.
Here's what she has to say about magazine bans.

Asked how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would be effective in reducing gun violence, DeGette said:

“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

What she didn’t appear to understand is that a magazine can be reloaded with more bullets. According to the Shooter’s Log, only early on were magazines for AR-15s designed to be disposable, but the military changed that and now magazines are used several times. In handguns, a magazine is designed to be reused hundreds of times.

Here's a link to the denver post if your interested.

As lead sponsor in House on gun legislation, Rep. Diana DeGette appears to not understand how they work

Apparently, intelligence, knowledge, and education aren't necessary requirements to be a legislator of law in our country.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Apparently, intelligence, knowledge, and education aren't necessary requirements to be a legislator of law in our country.

Or indeed, any country.

[Ducimus]

This really deserves its own thread.

President Obama visited Denver on April 3, 2013 to push his excessive gun legislation. Not one sheriff in the state of Colorado was included in the event. The sheriffs of Colorado representing 62 counties were kept out of the event because their legislative needs were not useful to the president. Obama's purposeful shunning of the state sheriffs could not silence them. Listen as Sheriff Shayne Heap from Elbert County Colorado responds to the president's comments

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[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Apparently, intelligence, knowledge, and education aren't necessary requirements to be a legislator of law in our country.

Asked how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would be effective in reducing gun violence, Rep. Diana DeGette said:
“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

OMG!
This woman is what needs to be banned.

[AVGWarhawk]

Rep. Diana DeGette
She is not the brightest crayon in the box.