Gun Control thread (merged many)

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The point wasn't that they shot down some B-52s, but that they survived the bombing and still were able to wage a ground war, and win it.

The point being, it wasn't because they had some AK47s, it was because they were backed by a superpower and supplied with that superpowers military hardware.
So is the Michigan militia going to be backed and supplied by China or Russia in the struggle against Americas secret NWO?
Maybe they can call on the French again.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The point being, it wasn't because they had some AK47s, it was because they were backed by a superpower and supplied with that superpowers military hardware.
So is the Michigan militia going to be backed and supplied by China or Russia in the struggle against Americas secret NWO?
Maybe they can call on the French again.

No, it was because they refused to give in. It was the common Vietnamese and his AK that won that war. Exactly what hardware are you referring to?

The entire US military isn't going to follow an order to attack fellow Americans without asking questions. While many of us don't consider the National Guard to be the militia described in the Constitution, in fact they have refused to obey orders to arrest protesters, at least here in Utah. There is every chance that a significant portion of the military would side with a resistance.

This is also one of the reasons that we argue that citizens should have access to military weapons, just to minimize the possibility of that sort of government control.

[Oberon]

I think the number of American soldiers who would fire on Americans would depend on how the situation is sold to them.
In the beginning it would be relatively easy to paint the enemy Americans as terrorists, you've already gone partially down that road since 9/11. Perhaps by staging another even bigger terrorist attack (ala Operation Northwoods) which is pinned on a specific group of Americans, it would serve to muster some force against them.
As the operation continues on, it becomes a bit harder, but if you exploit the 'Them or us' attitude which is popular then you could probably create enough propaganda to motivate not just the ordinary American military, but people who are loyal towards the government who might want to be formed into their own militias.

No, it was because they refused to give in. It was the common Vietnamese and his AK that won that war.

Really? and what won the war against the French?

Exactly what hardware are you referring to?

Do you want to start with those I already mentioned or do you want to go through the whole communist supplied arsenal the NVA had?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Really? and what won the war against the French?

I give up. You tell me.

Do you want to start with those I already mentioned or do you want to go through the whole communist supplied arsenal the NVA had?

What you already mentioned? The SAMs and MiGs? This conversation started because I stated that shooting down B-52s didn't win the war. You're going in circles.

I give up. You tell me.

Lots of different things.
Though I am sure you realise it wasn't small arms which led to a reversal of the earlier French success with hedgehogs.

What you already mentioned? The SAMs and MiGs? This conversation started because I stated that shooting down B-52s didn't win the war. You're going in circles.

This conversation started with you saying it was the common man with an AK47 that won the war
Since AK 47s didn't win the war any more than the SA-7 did it can only go full circle..
It started with some chinese PT boats and ended with some russian tanks visiting the palace, the man with the AK was just another bit player in a big story.

[yubba]

An american with an ar-15 is a american rifle man, he can be called up to protect the nation, his state, his community, his home, his family it has been that way for over 200 years so what's the problem. Me owning an ak-47 makes me half as lethal as I was when I was an active duty Marine with my issued M-16, I could hit a 9in plate at 500 yards with open sights with a 6 shot group of 2 inches, the ak is all over the place at 300 now the sks on the over hand isn't to bad. Stuff coming down the pike on Bengazi sounds like a plan kidnapping gone wrong, Obama was to save the day and trade the blind sheik for the ambassador,..No wonder the seals were told to stand down, I'm not very happy about being lead by a bunch of traitors...Nixon could have started a war to save is butt from watergate..

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It started with some chinese PT boats and ended with some russian tanks visiting the palace, the man with the AK was just another bit player in a big story.

Doesn't matter. The question was whether people with M-16s could stand up to bombing by B-52s, and my point that the North Vietnamese did it for ten years still stands. They shot down a few, but the bombing continued. And they survived it. The point was that they never had air superiority, but that didn't kill them all, and it didn't stop the war. They didn't win by shooting down all the enemy planes, but they still won.