Launching nukes during High School lesson

[Oberon]

I'm guessing you don't like your history teacher?

I don't know where I get this idea from, just some sort of vague hints that you've made in your posts.

[GoldenRivet]

Loved my history teachers, in High school i had a history teacher / coach who was a Teddy Roosevelt lookalike. he was also highly intelligent and kind, and had one of those gravel raspy voices that kind of drew you in during lectures.

My History teacher in College year 1 seemed to know everything in the world about pre-civil war America. important dates, names, battles, discoveries and inventions etc. the fact that she was a voluptuous beautiful busty brunette made her lectures an absolute pleasure to participate in

I didnt care for my government professor in college.

Course Description as well as the book i paid for indicated that we would be studying the American system of government, instead it was 3 lectures a week on her personal political opinions with a smattering of oh by the way this is how a bill is passed.

Take the above problem and combine it with the fact that i was a 30 year old man writing my own checks for my education sitting in a class full of 18-20 year olds who made it painfully obvious that they would rather be someplace else... I dropped the class.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm guessing you don't like your history teacher?

Not to defend a possibly bad colleague whom I haven't met and whose teaching I haven't observed, but history teachers seem get loved or hated on much more regular basis than, say, the math teachers, and usually the reasons behind it are different too. Comes with the territory.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm guessing you don't like your history teacher?

I don't know where I get this idea from, just some sort of vague hints that you've made in your posts.

Yeah....I'm not a big fan. My previous one was one of my favorite people of all time. He would make sure you learned something no matter how far he had to go. We all pitched in and got him the Local News Channel "Best Teacher" award for the region when he retired. He kept class fun and it was always the highlight of my day.

The new lady teaches stuff that didn't happen and doesn't know what she's talking about half the time. I wish my old teacher came back. I could have a good discussion about the lesson with him. With Ms. Commie, I can tell her about something really cool and ask questions about it and she just looks at me and says "Gee. That's really cool." or "That's a really good question" and continues on teaching about Barack Obama's wonderful policy.

She won't let us talk about politics in History Class.
She won't do anything extra for the class
She teaches conspiracies
She idolizes Harry Truman and Barack Obama even though she won't admit it


Ready for the kicker?

We were talking before class about Chris Kyle's murder one day. We were talking about how Whitney Houston's drug OD was a bigger deal than an American hero's death. Houston did that to herself while Kyle was helping Veterans. The flags went half staff for Houston and everything. Obama made a statement about Houston....but not for Kyle. Kyle's death was nowhere near as big of a deal. We thought that this was ridiculous. I have more than a couple military family members. Uncles, Grandparents, Great-Grandparents, Dad was at one point, etc. This struck home.


The "Teacher" decided to jump into the conversation with, "Whitney Houston was actually important. Nobody cared about Chris Kyle. Nobody cares about soldiers like that."

I went ballistic. I told her that Houston was stupid enough to OD on drugs and Kyle was the man who went out and defended your life. He one of many that makes sure you get a safe place to live and sleep.

I could've just gotten up and left right there but I held back. I wanted to get up and smack her. Saying that nobody cares about the military and soldiers that die.

Now, very recently, she was absent and we had a substitute. When she came back, we asked her where she was. She had gone to a funeral for a friend of hers who had served several years in Iraq and had PTSD. He had committed suicide. I was >< that close to asking her if she cared about dead american heroes now. I held back on that too. Even though I have little respect for her and can't stand being in that class, I know that she's a human being and has rights, feelings, etc.

It didn't keep me from cracking a smile at the irony.

[Hottentot]

^^
Case in point.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Yeah....I'm not a big fan. My previous one was one of my favorite people of all time. He would make sure you learned something no matter how far he had to go. We all pitched in and got him the Local News Channel "Best Teacher" award for the region when he retired. He kept class fun and it was always the highlight of my day.

The new lady teaches stuff that didn't happen and doesn't know what she's talking about half the time. I wish my old teacher came back. I could have a good discussion about the lesson with him. With Ms. Commie, I can tell her about something really cool and ask questions about it and she just looks at me and says "Gee. That's really cool." or "That's a really good question" and continues on teaching about Barack Obama's wonderful policy.

She won't let us talk about politics in History Class.
She won't do anything extra for the class
She teaches conspiracies
She idolizes Harry Truman and Barack Obama even though she won't admit it


Ready for the kicker?

We were talking before class about Chris Kyle's murder one day. We were talking about how Whitney Houston's drug OD was a bigger deal than an American hero's death. Houston did that to herself while Kyle was helping Veterans. The flags went half staff for Houston and everything. Obama made a statement about Houston....but not for Kyle. Kyle's death was nowhere near as big of a deal. We thought that this was ridiculous. I have more than a couple military family members. Uncles, Grandparents, Great-Grandparents, Dad was at one point, etc. This struck home.


The "Teacher" decided to jump into the conversation with, "Whitney Houston was actually important. Nobody cared about Chris Kyle. Nobody cares about soldiers like that."

I went ballistic. I told her that Houston was stupid enough to OD on drugs and Kyle was the man who went out and defended your life. He one of many that makes sure you get a safe place to live and sleep.

I could've just gotten up and left right there but I held back. I wanted to get up and smack her. Saying that nobody cares about the military and soldiers that die.

Now, very recently, she was absent and we had a substitute. When she came back, we asked her where she was. She had gone to a funeral for a friend of hers who had served several years in Iraq and had PTSD. He had committed suicide. I was >< that close to asking her if she cared about dead american heroes now. I held back on that too. Even though I have little respect for her and can't stand being in that class, I know that she's a human being and has rights, feelings, etc.

It didn't keep me from cracking a smile at the irony.

What is so bad about Harry Truman? He got handed some of the most difficult decisions to be made in the 20th century with no previous knowledge.If you do not know what I am talking about maybe you do not know your history as well as you think you do.

Any "Commie" would idolize Franklin Delano Roosevelt over Harry Truman any day of the week.Maybe you misunderstand your teacher or perhaps she is trying to best engage her student body.If most of the kids care more about Whitney Houston she was likely talking about her to get them engaged so they would pay attention to less interesting things.If she attended the funereal of a veteran then her previous statement about know one caring about heroes was likely sarcastic dismal of the status quo (the media caring more about Houston).

You previously mentioned how you disliked her class about the Cuban Missile Crisis (though you seemed to expecting Submarine Warfare 101 not World history).It sounds to me like she has a more neutral standpoint on events while yours is from a pro American objective.There is nothing wrong with hearing more than one point of view.I cant say for sure but I have a feeling that if I sat in one of your teachers classes I would not have the same opinion that you have and trust me I am neither left nor right leaning.If she said that one Russian was very instrumental in the diplomatic resolution of the crisis that is true.I am also assuming that she may have the perspective of teaching the other sides point of view but the reason is not to say how the American view is wrong.The point of this is to show you how differing nations think and how misunderstandings and political situations in one nation can effect many.

Going ballistic is never a good reaction. You say that you want to join the military at some point you will find military life very challenging if you have abrasive relationships with people that you disagree with and you will not see eye to eye with everyone in the military or officers appointed over you but you must still respect their rank and orders.Generally speaking it is disrespectful to question a teachers instruction when they are in the middle of a lesson.Doing that is not going to help your situation.My advice assuming that all you say is true deal with it and do not say anything if you know that she is wrong and our are right what harm is being done to you it sounds like the other students do not care either way so why waste your time correcting anything?

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Any "Commie" would idolize Franklin Delano Roosevelt over Harry Truman any day of the week.Maybe you misunderstand your teacher or perhaps she is trying to best engage her student body.If most of the kids care more about Whitney Houston she was likely talking about her to get them engaged so they would pay attention to less interesting things.If she attended the funereal of a veteran then her previous statement about know one caring about heroes was likely sarcastic dismal of the status quo (the media caring more about Houston).

She loves FDR too! All the welfare presidents she really likes on top of Truman and Obama. I don't like some of Truman's ideas. He is the only Missouri president, and he was given some very tough decisions. One of the main reasons many students don't like this teacher is because she is a liberal in an area full of stereotypical Conservatives. I am one of them. She forces her liberal views on us in class. Not many people like to hear how good it was that Obama got re-elected.

You previously mentioned how you disliked her class about the Cuban Missile Crisis (though you seemed to expecting Submarine Warfare 101 not World history).It sounds to me like she has a more neutral standpoint on events while yours is from a pro American objective.There is nothing wrong with hearing more than one point of view.I cant say for sure but I have a feeling that if I sat in one of your teachers classes I would not have the same opinion that you have and trust me I am neither left nor right leaning.If she said that one Russian was very instrumental in the diplomatic resolution of the crisis that is true.I am also assuming that she may have the perspective of teaching the other sides point of view but the reason is not to say how the American view is wrong.The point of this is to show you how differing nations think and how misunderstandings and political situations in one nation can effect many.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis lesson, she didn't explain the submarines very well. I'll say that. I didn't try to correct her too much. I didn't even correct her when she said that sonar was used to freak out people in submarines. The only thing I did was watch the video and toss in a comment or two. I did help her out when she was trying to explain the Thermal Layer, but for the most part, I didn't pay attention because it was slightly annoying. I'm not saying the Russians didn't do anything good. The Russians were the ones who held back from firing the nuke from B-59. That other post I made about this was more or less just a rant to blow off some steam. The part about me correcting her a couple of times during the WW2, WW1, and Korean War chapters is true. I have only corrected her probably 6 times this year. 3 of which did not actually correct, just help explain. I haven't done that in a while actually. I helped explain some submarine stuff there...but that's about it recently.

Going ballistic is never a good reaction. You say that you want to join the military at some point you will find military life very challenging if you have abrasive relationships with people that you disagree with and you will not see eye to eye with everyone in the military or officers appointed over you but you must still respect their rank and orders.Generally speaking it is disrespectful to question a teachers instruction when they are in the middle of a lesson.Doing that is not going to help your situation.My advice assuming that all you say is true deal with it and do not say anything if you know that she is wrong and our are right what harm is being done to you it sounds like the other students do not care either way so why waste your time correcting anything?

It wasn't exactly Ballistic. It was just a word that I thought I'd put in there. A more accurate term would be "angry" i guess. It wasn't part of a lesson that she said that. Another thing, I don't try to question her lessons. The questions I ask are honest questions. There are some things that I just don't know and that she apparently either doesn't know, or, she doesn't want to answer me. I'll give an example. During the WW2 chapter, when we were talking about the Japanese invasion of Asia, I asked her how the Japanese invaded China and about how the Japanese treated the Chinese. I really don't know a whole lot about the Japanese in Indochina, China, and all those other countries. When I asked the question, she just looked and said "That's a good question" and didn't make any effort to answer me. She had the means to do so, but did not. During the Korean War chapter, she had us looking up Conspiracies online. I found a big CIA thing about the War and the stuff she was currently teaching us. I showed it to her and was asking questions. She just said "that's really cool" and didn't answer any of my questions. When she doesn't answer my questions, she has that same semi-sarcastic tone.


I'm guessing that she just doesn't like me. That, and I can get carried away in my rants pretty easily. I don't go ballistic, but when somebody insults the military I'm not exactly happy about it. I get sick of seeing all the "#$#(*& The Troops" and all. Sometimes, I just have to tell those people that these are the real heroes and these people should not be overlooked. Veterans don't get the treatment that they should be getting these days. When somebody says that nobody cares about them, it sends me into the "These people are heroes and they don't get the treatment that they deserve" rant and that singers who OD on drugs shouldn't get that much media attention. I can get into a pretty good rant sometimes about the media. I'm just a stereotypical Pro-American, Pro-Life, young person sometimes. I will admit that I don't always think before I speak. Not everything I say has been thoroughly processed in my head. What sounds good in my head doesn't always end up good out loud.

You have to remember that I'm still young and still have a LOT to learn. You guys are much older than me and have more experience with life and the world.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

She loves FDR too! All the welfare presidents she really likes on top of Truman and Obama. I don't like some of Truman's ideas. He is the only Missouri president, and he was given some very tough decisions. One of the main reasons many students don't like this teacher is because she is a liberal in an area full of stereotypical Conservatives. I am one of them. She forces her liberal views on us in class. Not many people like to hear how good it was that Obama got re-elected.



During the Cuban Missile Crisis lesson, she didn't explain the submarines very well. I'll say that. I didn't try to correct her too much. I didn't even correct her when she said that sonar was used to freak out people in submarines. The only thing I did was watch the video and toss in a comment or two. I did help her out when she was trying to explain the Thermal Layer, but for the most part, I didn't pay attention because it was slightly annoying. I'm not saying the Russians didn't do anything good. The Russians were the ones who held back from firing the nuke from B-59. That other post I made about this was more or less just a rant to blow off some steam. The part about me correcting her a couple of times during the WW2, WW1, and Korean War chapters is true. I have only corrected her probably 6 times this year. 3 of which did not actually correct, just help explain. I haven't done that in a while actually. I helped explain some submarine stuff there...but that's about it recently.



It wasn't exactly Ballistic. It was just a word that I thought I'd put in there. A more accurate term would be "angry" i guess. It wasn't part of a lesson that she said that. Another thing, I don't try to question her lessons. The questions I ask are honest questions. There are some things that I just don't know and that she apparently either doesn't know, or, she doesn't want to answer me. I'll give an example. During the WW2 chapter, when we were talking about the Japanese invasion of Asia, I asked her how the Japanese invaded China and about how the Japanese treated the Chinese. I really don't know a whole lot about the Japanese in Indochina, China, and all those other countries. When I asked the question, she just looked and said "That's a good question" and didn't make any effort to answer me. She had the means to do so, but did not. During the Korean War chapter, she had us looking up Conspiracies online. I found a big CIA thing about the War and the stuff she was currently teaching us. I showed it to her and was asking questions. She just said "that's really cool" and didn't answer any of my questions. When she doesn't answer my questions, she has that same semi-sarcastic tone.


I'm guessing that she just doesn't like me. That, and I can get carried away in my rants pretty easily. I don't go ballistic, but when somebody insults the military I'm not exactly happy about it. I get sick of seeing all the "#$#(*& The Troops" and all. Sometimes, I just have to tell those people that these are the real heroes and these people should not be overlooked. Veterans don't get the treatment that they should be getting these days. When somebody says that nobody cares about them, it sends me into the "These people are heroes and they don't get the treatment that they deserve" rant and that singers who OD on drugs shouldn't get that much media attention. I can get into a pretty good rant sometimes about the media. I'm just a stereotypical Pro-American, Pro-Life, young person sometimes. I will admit that I don't always think before I speak. Not everything I say has been thoroughly processed in my head. What sounds good in my head doesn't always end up good out loud.

You have to remember that I'm still young and still have a LOT to learn. You guys are much older than me and have more experience with life and the world.

You do seem to focus on negativity is all I am saying.For example you say that this teacher does not like you but how can you be sure unless they expressly said that to you?

What do you mean by veterans don't get treated like they should be treated? Because the media does not always praise them? I have not heard anything of the kind of treatment that Vietnam vets faced years ago.If anything I would say generally speaking vets get a lot of respect now a days.People are much better about expressing their feelings about war without blaming the people that fought in it.

Take action if you feel so strongly about it volunteer for the Wounded Warrior Project or Disabled American Veterans your help and time will make up for 1,000 jerks and it will make you feel better as well I think your feelings stem from the fact that currently you can not(or are not currently) help people that you want to help.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You do seem to focus on negativity is all I am saying.For example you say that this teacher does not like you but how can you be sure unless they expressly said that to you?

I tend to get a bit defensive sometimes. Also, every student has a teacher that they say "doesn't like them." This is mine.

What do you mean by veterans don't get treated like they should be treated? Because the media does not always praise them? I have not heard anything of the kind of treatment that Vietnam vets faced years ago.If anything I would say generally speaking vets get a lot of respect now a days.People are much better about expressing their feelings about war without blaming the people that fought in it.

I see stuff on the internet and other media and hear stories about how the government denies healthcare and treatment. Soldiers don't get paid as much as they should either. Nothing is as bad as it was after Vietnam, but a friend's family member who served in Korea has been denied healthcare he needed because "Korea wasn't a war." I forgot what they called it exactly but it was something along the lines of Police Action or something like that. The VA people didn't call it war and they denied him what he needed.

Take action if you feel so strongly about it volunteer for the Wounded Warrior Project or Disabled American Veterans your help and time will make up for 1,000 jerks and it will make you feel better as well I think your feelings stem from the fact that currently you can not(or are not currently) help people that you want to help.

That just might be part of it. I'm not sure what to think here. I don't know of any local chapters of either organization, but I might look into it. I am a part of the USAF Aux. Civil Air Patrol and they do volunteer-type stuff. I know they do Wreaths Across America. I'll have to look into it.

[TarJak]

Maybe its surgical in this sense:

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Soldiers don't get paid as much as they should either. but a friend's family member who served in Korea has been denied healthcare he needed because "Korea wasn't a war." I forgot what they called it exactly but it was something along the lines of Police Action or something like that. The VA people didn't call it war and they denied him what he needed.

I am not sure why you say this in comparison to most every Western nation our troops both enlisted and officer get payed better.The armed forces of the UK Germany and France all have lower pay across the board.You are not going to become a millionaire in the armed forces but when you take into account the benefits a person gets while on active duty the US military is a very competitive employer when it comes to pay and benefits.As a single enlisted member you do not have to pay for food, housing or medical care.

I can assure you that the story you have been told about your friends family member getting denied benefits because he served in the Korean War is an out and out lie that just simply is not true.Maybe they tried to make a claim but in reality they where in the armed forces but not involved in the Korean War then they would be denied benefits that only people that served in that war are eligible key word being in that not war served during If that where true every single Vietnam vet would be denied benefits as would every vet that served in Afghanistan in none of these wars was war declared by Congress.

This is so incorrect I am now going to shoot it down in flames;

From the VA Federal Benefits for Veterans,Dependents and Survivors page(a basic out line of benefits)

Certain VA benefits require service during wartime. Under the law, VA recognizes these war periods:
Mexican Border Period: May 9, 1916, through April 5, 1917, for veterans who served in Mexico, on its borders or in adjacent waters.
World War I: April 6, 1917, through Nov. 11, 1918; for veterans who served in Russia, April 6, 1917, through April 1, 1920; extended through July 1, 1921, for veterans who had at least one day of service between April 6, 1917, and Nov. 11, 1918.
World War II: Dec. 7, 1941, through Dec. 31, 1946.
Korean War: June 27, 1950, through Jan. 31, 1955.
Vietnam War: Aug. 5, 1964 (Feb. 28, 1961, for veterans who served “in country” before Aug. 5, 1964), through May 7, 1975.
Gulf War: Aug. 2, 1990, through a date to be set by law or Presidential Proclamation. Important Documents Needed to Expedite
(it does not list active conflicts that one would be the Global War on Terror these vets can get benefits i have friends that use the extended GI Bill for WOT vets)


link:
http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/b...troduction.asp