Ohio School shooter sentenced to life in prison

Originally Posted by Ducimus

An opinion, is an opinion none nonetheless.

And as far as prisoners sentenced to life in prison, why should anyone give a damn about what the opinion's of murders and rapists are anyway. If I had my way, repeat offenders would cease to be a financial burden to the country.

So if you want them to suffer, let them be in prison?

FYI, people on death row cost more than people who sit behind bars their whole life, so the cost factor is not a pro-CP argument, it actually works against it.
Additionally, I care to be honest. No mater what someone has done, I do not see why anyone else, especially a government, should have the right to kill anyone. Killing is killing, it is wrong.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

So if you want them to suffer, let them be in prison?

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Additionally, I care to be honest.

Agreed. Seeing that I might one day end up behind the bars myself, I care. I'd be fooling myself if I claimed that this could never happen. It would be incredibly short sighted and arrogant of me to say that I could never in my life under any circumstances commit a crime serious enough to end up in prison and therefore be labelled "criminal".

Furthermore, as I have mentioned before, there are less than glamorous examples of what can happen when a society starts taking rights away from criminals. I find this example interesting, to be honest, but really scary at the same time, because the slippery slope there is very apparent and not only a fallacy, but an actual example from history.

I remember reading that (very good) post, I agreed in silence.

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I do not see why anyone else, especially a government, should have the right to kill anyone. Killing is killing, it is wrong.

I have no problem with justified killing and that includes those who commit capital crimes. My problem with the DP is that the government can't be trusted with only executing the guilty.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

FYI, people on death row cost more than people who sit behind bars their whole life, so the cost factor is not a pro-CP argument, it actually works against it.

That's because theirs too much litigation and too much concern over the rights of scumbags who don't give a damn about anyones rights or anyones life. They get way more consideration then they deserve. Again, if i had my way, they would cease to cost the country ANY money.

Additionally, I care to be honest. No mater what someone has done, I do not see why anyone else, especially a government, should have the right to kill anyone. Killing is killing, it is wrong.

And i think the punishment should fit the crime. Particuarly in the case of repeat offenders. It is not fair to the victim, nor their friends, family or loved ones that the scumbag still draws air when he snatched it from someone else. Said scumbag took from their victim EVERYTHING they owned and cherished, and everything the would ever own, see, or experience. Why.. WHY should that scumbag continue to have all those things when he or she unjustly denied them to others? No sir, the punishment should fit the crime.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

That's because theirs too much litigation and too much concern over the rights of scumbags who don't give a damn about anyones rights or anyones life. They get way more consideration then they deserve. Again, if i had my way, they would cease to cost the country ANY money.

In that case, I am glad its not your way.

And i think the punishment should fit the crime. Particuarly in the case of repeat offenders. It is not fair to the victim, nor their friends, family or loved ones that the scumbag still draws air when he snatched it from someone else. Said scumbag took from their victim EVERYTHING they owned and cherished, and everything the would ever own, see, or experience. Why.. WHY should that scumbag continue to have all those things when he or she unjustly denied them to others? No sir, the punishment should fit the crime.

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
- Mahatma Gandhi

[Ducimus]

The world is not rainbows and unicorns, nor can you rehabilitate serial killers. It's best to put them down and be done with it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The world is not rainbows and unicorns, nor can you rehabilitate serial killers. It's best to put them down and be done with it.

I agree. I'm just concerned with the governments ability to only prosecute the guilty. You can't take back the DP once it's carried out.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

I agree. I'm just concerned with the governments ability to only prosecute the guilty. You can't take back the DP once it's carried out.

Which is why I keep saying, "repeat offenders" and "serial killer".

I think it's entirely possible for someone to be falsely accused and convicted once, but not multiple times.

For example, here's two character's that should not be alive and kicking:


You think they got falsely accused. I don't!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You think they got falsely accused. I don't!

Manson is an interesting case. He got a death sentence. Then California repealed their death penalty. Then California reinstated their Death Penalty. It was decided that Manson's original sentence couldn't be reinstated because that would be the same as upping it for someone who was convicted when death wasn't an option. So he sits there, and every so often he comes up for parole review, and is always turned down. He's probably happy about that, considering how long he would survive on the outside.

My friend Rocky was once having a discussion on the death penalty. He was supporting it and the other person said that the DP isn't really a deterrent, which is arguably true. Rocky's answer to that was "Really? How many women has Ted Bundy killed recently?"

That's because theirs too much litigation and too much concern over the rights of scumbags who don't give a damn about anyones rights or anyones life. They get way more consideration then they deserve.

How many "scumbags" have been released recently from death row in your country after litigation proved they were the wrong people?

Again, if i had my way, they would cease to cost the country ANY money.

Sounds like you want a mad dictatorship with lynch mobs with no justice.
Not a very pleasant picture of your views that you are painting is it.
In fact it does look like your whole arguement is based on emotion rather than anything resembling reason.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The world is not rainbows and unicorns, nor can you rehabilitate serial killers. It's best to put them down and be done with it.

So when people think eye for an eye is the wrong approach they believe in unicorns?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

So when people think eye for an eye is the wrong approach they believe in unicorns?

I was insinuating that your an idealist, a wisher, or a dreamer. An outlook which I do not share. I prefer to realize the world for how it is, and deal with it.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I was insinuating that your an idealist, a wisher, or a dreamer.

Mh, people who know me tend to say Im a pessimist and realist. Refreshing to hear something different for a change.

Maybe I just let those biblical-old-school-laws behind me and realized that this is helping no one in a modern society? And that murdering a murderer would make me the same?

I don't see why this makes me a dreamer, or wisher. What do I dream or wish for? Just because I believe killing, no matter whom, is wrong?

I don't say one shall try to rehab those cracks, but just because this is not possible, we must not kill them. Lock them up, make sure they won't threaten society anymore and that's good enough (for me).