DHS buying armored cars

[August]

The thing is you're not talking about the military but an agency. A much smaller and far more easily subverted organization.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by August

The thing is you're not talking about the military but an agency. A much smaller and far more easily subverted organization.

I would argue that the larger an agency/organization becomes the more more likely it is to be subverted.The truth is no matter what kind of law a nation has power can be taken if a person or group so desires.

Humans are corruptible by nature to some extent and therefore it is possible for any organization to be corrupted.The only form of government safe from this is no government at all... anarchy.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I would argue that the larger an agency/organization becomes the more more likely it is to be subverted.

I don't see how. The larger the organization the more dissenting opinions that one would have to deal with. The military is hundreds of thousands of people. A federal agency is a few hundred agents.

The truth is no matter what kind of law a nation has power can be taken if a person or group so desires.

Humans are corruptible by nature to some extent and therefore it is possible for any organization to be corrupted.

Desire means little unless the mechanics are in place to carry it out. Giving federal law enforcement agencies armored assault capability, in essence creating a mini-army, is just one more step in that direction. Why is this even necessary? The National Guard should have such vehicles available for use if law enforcement needs to use them.

The only form of government safe from this is no government at all... anarchy.

No such thing. No matter how completely any social system breaks down some type of replacement will quickly manifest itself for no other reason that it increases the survival chances of it's members. Humanity 101. Organize or die.

[Stealhead]

A definition of anarchy is a state of society without government or law.

I simply stated that the situation where corruption of a government in part or whole is ensured not to occur is in a state of anarchy.


If a person wishes to gain power in a tyrannical manner they must in some way legitimatize them selves to a portion of the population they wish to control.If they are in a land that has a government then their means is to corruptly alter things to their will.I am not saying that anarchy is ideal people need to have some control in their lives.

There are Army National Guard units that have M1A1 even A2 Abrams tanks I am pretty sure that they can handle any DHS armored car.There are Air National Guard units flying A-10s they can destroy any DHS armored car.Every NG unit that has infantry is going to have some AT-4s in the armory those can destroy armored cars.

http://www.idaho.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123325417
http://www.175wg.ang.af.mil/resources/
http://www.minnesotanationalguard.or...php?unit=PSSC2
http://www.nationalguard.mil/news/ar...nks-print.aspx

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

There are Army National Guard units that have M1A1 even A2 Abrams tanks I am pretty sure that they can handle any DHS armored car.There are Air National Guard units flying A-10s they can destroy any DHS armored car.Every NG unit that has infantry is going to have some AT-4s in the armory those can destroy armored cars.

You miss the point.

If the local NG already has these vehicles, or better ones, then those are what DHS ought to be using. They shouldn't have their own.

You miss the point.

If the local NG already has these vehicles, or better ones, then those are what DHS ought to be using. They shouldn't have their own.

Why does the navy have helicopters, they should use the army ones, why does the airforce have trucks, they can use the armys too. Why is there even a marine corps, surely the navy can borrow troops from the army and do away with the whole seperate branch and all their seperate equipment.
Makes as much sense as Augusts line doesn't it.