[WIP] Historical Guns Specs

[TheDarkWraith]

I think the captain decided when to open fire (even if he knew the guns range wouldn't hit the target). Being captain of the sub it's my decision when to open fire and at what range.

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by sober

Anyone tried my latest gun mod yet in a mission ?

At the moment I'm working on improving the accuracy of onboard guns..
How to make guns worse, it will be the next stage of our work ..

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

first deckgun test mission ready: ...

It was a good excursion - Palermo harbour.. the British sub..
Did you knew that VIIC/41 doesn't has a deckgun as default?

or just joke and excursion?

EDIT: wait.. something wrong with my game or mods.. when I enable your mission with some mods enabled I can see only VIIC/41 at the boat selection screen.. if I enable mission on full stock everything seems OK..

EDIT2: I've figured out it.. OHII cause this issue.. I have OHII enabled because before I've tested Flaks (using Trevally's campaign patch).. so, if we have OHII enabled we can't get the single mission of full value.. why? because of this - NSS_UboatX.upcge.. at least I think so..

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

Anyone tried my latest gun mod yet in a mission ?

Originally Posted by volodya61

At the moment I'm working on improving the accuracy of onboard guns..
How to make guns worse, it will be the next stage of our work ..

Not yet sober but, as stated by Volodya, saboaging a bit those deadly things is in our todo list. At the right time, we will give your mod a deep test

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I think the captain decided when to open fire (even if he knew the guns range wouldn't hit the target). Being captain of the sub it's my decision when to open fire and at what range.

Yes, this is also my opinion

Originally Posted by volodya61

Okay.. I give up .. do as you think is right..

I don't want you to give up. I want you to agree with me , or to convince me with your arguments that I am wrong.

If it is simply a matter of different taste, we can make the shorter range oprional

Originally Posted by volodya61

Thank you..
Well.. make them for the stock range values.. I mean 900m and 2900m..
I think mission for long range is not needed..

On the contrary: a long range test mission is needed, for making sure that long range engagement won't be unrealistically easy

Originally Posted by volodya61

It was a good excursion - Palermo harbour.. the British sub..

so you discovered my joke!
dunno why, even with IRAI enabled I couldn't get it to attack. Maybe because of the shallow water

...and by the way, it is not British, it is... Russian

Originally Posted by volodya61

Did you knew that VIIC/41 doesn't has a deckgun as default?

or just joke and excursion?

EDIT: wait.. something wrong with my game or mods.. when I enable your mission with some mods enabled I can see only VIIC/41 at the boat selection screen.. if I enable mission on full stock everything seems OK..

EDIT2: I've figured out it.. OHII cause this issue.. I have OHII enabled because before I've tested Flaks (using Trevally's campaign patch).. so, if we have OHII enabled we can't get the single mission of full value.. why? because of this - NSS_UboatX.upcge.. at least I think so..

yes, I have created the mission over the stock campaign. OHII changes U-boat availabilities. I think this is the reason why you couldn't select the Type B

P.S: if the template mission I have created is okay for you, I will edit it for different engagement ranges (minus the U class boat )

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by volodya61

At the moment I'm working on improving the accuracy of onboard guns..
How to make guns worse, it will be the next stage of our work ..

All i will say is , if you attack a convoy on the surface with my mod when it might be armed then the last thing you will be worrying about is deck gun range . I deleted my deck gun range mod because you dont need it .

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

All i will say is , if you attack a convoy on the surface with my mod when it might be armed then the last thing you will be worrying about is deck gun range . I deleted my deck gun range mod because you dont need it .

yes, this is exactly my point. Surface engagements should be so difficult and dangerous at any distance to make range almost irrelevant

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

I don't want you to give up. I want you to agree with me , or to convince me with your arguments that I am wrong.

Okay.. I agree with you .. completely..

Originally Posted by gap

If it is simply a matter of different taste, we can make the shorter range oprional

I don't think we need it.. I just tried different settings..

Originally Posted by gap

On the contrary: a long range test mission is needed, for making sure that long range engagement won't be unrealistically easy

I don't think it would be easy.. back to the Flaks tests we see that that almost impossible at long range..

Originally Posted by gap

dunno why, even with IRAI enabled I couldn't get it to attack. Maybe because of the shallow water

I have never seen an attacking boat.. in the campaign too..

Originally Posted by gap

...and by the way, it is not British, it is... Russian

Russian? knowing the outcome of the war, I had to ask for political asylum

Originally Posted by gap

P.S: if the template mission I have created is okay for you, I will edit it for different engagement ranges (minus the U class boat )

I think in the open sea would be better because I do not see any details on the background of the coast

Originally Posted by sober

All i will say is , if you attack a convoy on the surface with my mod when it might be armed then the last thing you will be worrying about is deck gun range . I deleted my deck gun range mod because you dont need it .

Originally Posted by gap

yes, this is exactly my point. Surface engagements should be so difficult and dangerous at any distance to make range almost irrelevant

At the moment we are talking about unarmed merchants..

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Okay.. I agree with you .. completely..

I don't think we need it.. I just tried different settings..

Are you kidding me?

Originally Posted by volodya61

I don't think it would be easy..

back to the Flaks tests we see that that almost impossible at long range..

That's good, but at some point we should make it sure: we cannot compare surface engagements with surface-to-air engagements

Originally Posted by volodya61

I have never seen an attacking boat.. in the campaign too..

I thought that IRAI had fixed submarines behaviour

Originally Posted by volodya61

Russian? knowing the outcome of the war, I had to ask for political asylum

For sure not in Italy, after sinking that Italian unarmed passenger ships at dock in Palermo

Originally Posted by volodya61

I think in the open sea would be better because I do not see any details on the background of the coast

Okay, no problem.
I only hope that the Conte Verde got a long enough anchor chain

Originally Posted by volodya61

At the moment we are talking about unarmed merchants..

yes but... stationary? Aren't we asking a bit too much, even for an easy target?
Are you sure you don't want to me to create a second set of missions with a fast moving ship?

[gap]

P.S: do you have any preference about target's profile (AoB)? 90°, 45°, 0°?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

Are you kidding me?

Yep..

Originally Posted by gap

That's good, but at some point we should make it sure: we cannot compare surface engagements with surface-to-air engagements

Agree..

Originally Posted by gap

For sure not in Italy, after sinking that Italian unarmed passenger ships at dock in Palermo

Of course no.. was it a Russian boat? in USSR then

Originally Posted by gap

yes but... stationary? Aren't we asking a bit too much, even for an easy target?
Are you sure you don't want to me to create a second set of missions with a fast moving ship?

Probably yes.. why not? but how fast? 10-12 knots? or more?

Originally Posted by gap

P.S: do you have any preference about target's profile (AoB)? 90°, 45°, 0°?

90° for a start.. after first tests we will see..

PS: don't forget about mission with a lot of planes I think it will be funny..

[volodya61]

Forgot to say
Don't you think that the target is a bit too large? they even miss this target though

22 shots, 17/5-miss

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Yep..

Okay, I see you are too stubborn to admit that you were wrong!

Originally Posted by volodya61

Of course no.. was it a Russian boat? in USSR then

a Russian citizen commanding a German Uboot?
Had you been captured abord the USSR submarine I put in our mission, I think you would have been deported in a gulag, if not sumarily executed

Originally Posted by volodya61

Probably yes.. why not? but how fast? 10-12 knots? or more?

90° for a start.. after first tests we will see..

Originally Posted by volodya61

Forgot to say
Don't you think that the target is a bit too large? they even miss this target though

22 shots, 17/5-miss

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dk54jp6lz5jwnwu

three big passenger ships in this mission:

1st target - range: ca. 1 km, bearing: 270 deg, course: 0 deg, speed: 0 kn
2nd target - range: ca. 3 km, bearing: 0 deg, course: 90 deg, speed: 0 kn
3rd target - range: ca. 5 km, bearing: 90 deg, course: 180 deg, speed: 0 kn

let me know if you need for smaller targets, moving targets or different ranges to target, and I will modify the mission accordingly

Originally Posted by volodya61

PS: don't forget about mission with a lot of planes I think it will be funny..

This one will be the nest one. Give me a few

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

Okay, I see you are too stubborn to admit that you were wrong!

Originally Posted by gap

..I think you would have been deported in a gulag, if not sumarily executed

GULAG is better choice than seabed
at least I think so

Originally Posted by gap

..let me know if you need for smaller targets, moving targets or different ranges to target, and I will modify the mission accordingly

I will.. a bit later..

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

since you insist, I will propose a maximum range of 12 km

Originally Posted by volodya61

GULAG is better choice than seabed
at least I think so

It all tepends on season and on water depth above the seabed. I have never had the honour to be hosted in a GULAG, but I guess that 50 cm of warm Mediterranean water are a better place

Originally Posted by volodya61

I will.. a bit later..

Okay, working on the airplane mission now. Do you have any preference about planes types and number?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

since you insist, I will propose a maximum range of 12 km

Completely agree with you

Originally Posted by gap

..but I guess that 50 cm of warm Mediterranean water are a better place

Well, if in this case.. then always yes.. agree..

Originally Posted by gap

Okay, working on the airplane mission now. Do you have any preference about planes types and number?

types - different.. number - many.. and more!

Seems like a 'tolerance angles' method not working.. just set 50 (was 0,75) for deckgun and nothing change.. almost.. changes at the margin of error..

Remains to consider the Sober's method..