Observations On Life

Sailor Steve · 12-10-12, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

As it happens, I said that he believed in a God: in other words, he's an agnostic.

Agnostic:
1. A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

An agnostic is not someone who believes in an unknowable God. He's someone who believes we can't know one way or the other.

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Perhaps the God he believes in didn't make the universe, but to actually know, we'd better ask him ourselves.

Been there, done that. Haven't seen an answer yet. I'm still looking.

Armistead · 12-10-12, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Agnostic:
1. A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

An agnostic is not someone who believes in an unknowable God. He's someone who believes we can't know one way or the other.

Been there, done that. Haven't seen an answer yet. I'm still looking.

When my grandfather was dying, my grandmother, a devout lady, asked him to beg God for forgiveness, in which he simply replied...

"For what"...

Sailor Steve · 12-10-12, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

When my grandfather was dying, my grandmother, a devout lady, asked him to beg God for forgiveness, in which he simply replied...

"For what"...

My dad died last July. I didn't start a thread on it because I didn't want any condolences, for various reasons. Anyway, my sister posted it on FaceBook, and got a lot of replies, one of which was from a friend of hers, saying "There's a new angel looking down on us from heaven."

I told my sister how hard it was for me to bite my tongue and say nothing, when what I wanted to post was "Dad was a lifelong atheist. He not only wouldn't thank you for saying that, he'd probably laugh in your face." My sister thanked me for holding my peace.

Takeda Shingen · 12-10-12, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I told my sister how hard it was for me to bite my tongue and say nothing, when what I wanted to post was "Dad was a lifelong atheist. He not only wouldn't thank you for saying that, he'd probably laugh in your face." My sister thanked me for holding my peace.

I think that was a wise thing to do. People need to express sympathy in their own way. Their way is no longer of any conseqency to the departed, but lashing out is a good way to fail to honor their memory.

Betonov · 12-10-12, 12:25 PM

Speaking of death, my family has a very relaxed relation with death.

This year there was an overpopulation of rodents and the lawn on the cemetary was riddled with holes and when my dad asked my grandmother (his mother) if he should do something about my grandfathers grave, she replied: leave them alone, at least he has company.

Armistead · 12-10-12, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My dad died last July. I didn't start a thread on it because I didn't want any condolences, for various reasons. Anyway, my sister posted it on FaceBook, and got a lot of replies, one of which was from a friend of hers, saying "There's a new angel looking down on us from heaven."

I told my sister how hard it was for me to bite my tongue and say nothing, when what I wanted to post was "Dad was a lifelong atheist. He not only wouldn't thank you for saying that, he'd probably laugh in your face." My sister thanked me for holding my peace.

When my Mom passed about a 18 months ago, my sis got a very fundy preacher to do her service, her husbands brother. Mom was a fairly strong christian, but a moderate Methodist. I recalled when her last brother died, she was irate that the preacher turned his funeral into a hell and damnation sermon. He wasn't "saved", nor would he confess on his death bed. Still can hear him yelling..

"We'll never know about Jay, all we can hope is he confessed." Then a long spill how the rest of them didn't have to go to hell and be tortured and gave an alter call...

My Mom was shaking she was so mad, stating he didn't say anything about how Jay was a good man, generous to all, faithful husband, etc...

Anyways, I told the preacher at my Mom's funeral I didn't want a hellfire Baptist sermon, to keep it on what a wonderul mother I had... It didn't take 5 minutes he was preaching one. I almost exploded, but held my peace. When he got done, I did take the stand and told people what a wonderful mom I had.

I spoke to him about it afterwards, he just went into a spill of how he goes where the spirit leads him. I told him if he can't honor the wishes of a grieving family to look for another line of work...

HundertzehnGustav · 12-10-12, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Been there, done that. Haven't seen an answer yet. I'm still looking.

stop looking and searching.... start finding and embracing.

Sailor Steve · 12-10-12, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

stop looking and searching.... start finding and embracing.

Finding and embracing what? God? Show me. Life? What makes you think I'm not?

HundertzehnGustav · 12-10-12, 01:45 PM

ah!
I didnt say what or where... nor did i say you were sad and bitter.
(although... "serious" might be an adjective that matches my perception of you.?)
whatever, i get off topic.
what i mean: stop running after an answer. Just stand still for a second, and the answer you are running after will hit you... in the back.
It was right behind you, trying to catch up with you all the time.

Sailor Steve · 12-10-12, 01:49 PM

Oh, I'm not running after anything. When I say "looking", it's more like "waiting for someone to show me something - anything."

I'm not actively seeking anything anymore. Stopped doing that years ago. I'm a true sceptic. I don't even believe the atheists.

HundertzehnGustav · 12-10-12, 01:56 PM

Ouch!

so you don't believe in any damned thing...
not even that a "damned" state exists!

How about this one,
"Life is a Party - if you invite the right people"
said that when i was 16... and boy am I having a hard time!

Sailor Steve · 12-10-12, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Ouch!

so you don't believe in any damned thing...
not even that a "damned" state exists!

What ever gave you that idea? I don't put my faith in things that no one can see or show. There's a difference.

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How about this one,
"Life is a Party - if you invite the right people"
said that when i was 16... and boy am I having a hard time!

Sounds okay to me. I'm not sure it's true, but then I'm not sure about a lot of things.

12-10-12, 01:45 PM	#9
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	ah! I didnt say what or where... nor did i say you were sad and bitter. (although... "serious" might be an adjective that matches my perception of you.?) whatever, i get off topic. what i mean: stop running after an answer. Just stand still for a second, and the answer you are running after will hit you... in the back. It was right behind you, trying to catch up with you all the time. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

12-10-12, 01:49 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Oh, I'm not running after anything. When I say "looking", it's more like "waiting for someone to show me something - anything." I'm not actively seeking anything anymore. Stopped doing that years ago. I'm a true sceptic. I don't even believe the atheists. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-10-12, 01:56 PM	#11
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Ouch! so you don't believe in any damned thing... not even that a "damned" state exists! How about this one, "Life is a Party - if you invite the right people" said that when i was 16... and boy am I having a hard time! __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

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12-10-12, 12:25 PM	#5
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Speaking of death, my family has a very relaxed relation with death. This year there was an overpopulation of rodents and the lawn on the cemetary was riddled with holes and when my dad asked my grandmother (his mother) if he should do something about my grandfathers grave, she replied: leave them alone, at least he has company.