How should Atheists and Religous people treat each other?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes indeed, and right so: when they go peddling with it, and claim respect and a special status for it without it deserving that, and want beliefs and personal fantasies being seen as equal to reason, empiry, and scientific theory.

I have never seen anyone proselytise on this forum. What I have seen are angry atheists attacking those that believe. You demand radio silence from believers while your's is always blasting at 11. Hypocrisy much?

[AVGWarhawk]

These go to 11...

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm glad that somebody caught that reference. Makes me smile.

I believe he was referencing Haplo's post.

If I wanted to have more fun with that I would add that perhaps the atheists can't protest about the mosques as there are too many "christians" forming a crowd to protest so they can't get through.

It seems that, for some, the very existence of those who have different beliefs is offensive.

Unfortunately and to put a sidespin on the topic it is often religious people clashing with other religious people just as it always has been since before that bloke got nailed to a bit of wood for saying "be nice".

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I have never seen anyone proselytise on this forum. What I have seen are angry atheists attacking those that believe. You demand radio silence from believers while your's is always blasting at 11. Hypocrisy much?

No hypocrisy, but bias - yours.

You sure you do not become tired of stalking on me? It surely has become a habit of yours recently.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

No hypocrisy, but bias - yours.

You sure you do not become tired of stalking on me? It surely has become a habit of yours recently.

Oh, see now here we go. You go around this forum attacking all kinds of people personally simply because they have a belief. A harmless belief. A belief that they are in no way attempting to sell to you. You call them ignorant, foolish, dangerous, witless, etc. I call you out on it and suddenly I am stalking you. Hypocricy and butthurt: A winning combination.

Your radio's still too loud. Turn it down.

[Hottentot]

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[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I have never seen anyone proselytise on this forum. What I have seen are angry atheists attacking those that believe. You demand radio silence from believers while your's is always blasting at 11. Hypocrisy much?

I actually don't care for either side but from my seat I usually see the Christian's are the ones that can't live and let live. Oh sure they can after they get a few more laws passed that demand Atheists behave as Christians in public, and private. I only see Atheists demanding changes to take overt Christian symbolism and such out of the common governance.

Being an Atheist does not mean one is amoral. Our basic laws are formed from Old Testament teachings and these are more than simply Christian values so it becomes a gray area about drawing lines in the sand.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I actually don't care for either side but from my seat I usually see the Christian's are the ones that can't live and let live. Oh sure they can after they get a few more laws passed that demand Atheists behave as Christians in public, and private. I only see Atheists demanding changes to take overt Christian symbolism and such out of the common governance.

I have yet to see a single Christian do so on this forum. What I do see are lots of atheist with lots of angry words for members that believe. Personally, I grow very weary of being called an ignoramus by such people. Maybe if we can talk about the idea without attempting to destroy the person (like we're supposed to behave on SubSim) it would be a good thing for everyone.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe he was referencing Haplo's post.

Ah, okay. Sorry about that.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I have yet to see a single Christian do so on this forum. What I do see are lots of atheist with lots of angry words for members that believe. Personally, I grow very weary of being called an ignoramus by such people. Maybe if we can talk about the idea without attempting to destroy the person (like we're supposed to behave on SubSim) it would be a good thing for everyone.

You may be asking a bit much there....even on GT

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

You may be asking a bit much there....even on GT

You're probably right.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Our basic laws are formed from Old Testament teachings and these are more than simply Christian values so it becomes a gray area about drawing lines in the sand.

Actually the first code of civil law far predates the Bible, even the Old Testament. Also, the laws in the OT have very little to do with modern civil law. Putting the Ten Commandments on a courthouse wall doesn't make them relevant to anything other than religious belief.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually the first code of civil law far predates the Bible, even the Old Testament. Also, the laws in the OT have very little to do with modern civil law. Putting the Ten Commandments on a courthouse wall doesn't make them relevant to anything other than religious belief.

I didn't know obviously. The Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall are perhaps irrelevant, but to an Atheist required to swear on a Bible to testify, they are a sign of biased governance.

[Garion]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I didn't know obviously. The Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall are perhaps irrelevant, but to an Atheist required to swear on a Bible to testify, they are a sign of biased governance.

Well to be fair, when I was a Police Officer giving evidence in court I was always given the choice of swearing on the bible or Affirming... I always affirmed.

Cheers

Gary

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I didn't know obviously. The Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall are perhaps irrelevant, but to an Atheist required to swear on a Bible to testify, they are a sign of biased governance.

Originally Posted by Garion

Well to be fair, when I was a Police Officer giving evidence in court I was always given the choice of swearing on the bible or Affirming... I always affirmed.

That's good to know. When I was a devout Christian I was opposed to swearing on the Bible, or any other system. For me it went directly against the injunction of Jesus in Matthew 5:33-37:

Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.