What is the world coming to... (Attack on US Embassy)

[Skybird]

A press review:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-855835.html

They al tend to agree that the American ME policy is completely in ruins.

The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

"The murder of an ambassador in Libya and the attacks on US diplomatic missions in other Arab countries is sure to strengthen the skepticism that more than a few Americans feel toward Muslims and the political changes brought by the Arab revolutions. The deeply held American belief that all you have to do is liberate people from serfdom and dictatorship, and then democracy and a market economy will develop more or less on their own, burned to ash in the trial by fire of Iraq. A fact that academics and historically informed diplomats have always known can now be observed throughout the Arab world: Deeply ingrained cultural attitudes do not change simply because one political regime replaces another. In the long process of building a democratic society, it is not possible to simply skip stages."


The conservative Die Welt writes:

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

"Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali."

One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."

[Skybird]

Headline just in: "demonstrators" attack German embassy in Sudan.

[Skybird]

^... and the British as well.

I mean the British embassy gets attacked as well, not that the British attacked the German embassy.

[Skybird]

Errr... it is "demonstrators" attacking the British embassy, not the Germans attacking both.

Any questions?

[Oberon]

What could Obama have done different though? If he had not come out in support of the Arab Spring then his opponents would have had a massive amount of ammunition to throw at him, accusing him of supporting 'repressive' regimes, of allowing Al'Qaeda to spread through alliances with the protesters (like the current situation in the Syrian civil war) and of not being in touch with the Middle East.
So, he sided with the Arab Spring, and is also slammed.

It's a no-win scenario...heck, the entire Middle East is a no-win scenario that the West is linked to through our obscene demand for oil.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Errr... it is "demonstrators" attacking the British embassy, not the Germans attacking both.

Any questions?

Phew! For a moment there I thought I'd have to get the tin hat out, dig out an Anderson shelter and start up a Dig for Victory campaign!

You know what I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth, I find it quite offencesive

The Beck/Jones parrot is complaining about putting words in peoples mouths.
Yubba his take on what you wrote was far more charitable than what could be deduced from your words, you should be happy he only put those words there.

You need to find where I said that we should go to full scale war with anybody except this present administration

Woohoo yubbas on for full scale treason and his crazy wingnut militia loons starting a civil war.
Its time you got sent to those legendary FEMA canps

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by yubba

You know what I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth, I find it quite offencesive

They're your words:

I'm a AMERICAN and I'm tired of being sorry, it's time to do what we do best and that is piss people off because we are a free people..

Emphasis mine. If that's not a call to open war, I don't know what one is. Your hatred of Obama blinds you in regard to the big picture. Words did not cause this. It was action. It was our policy of regime change in the region since the Iran and the Shah in 1951. Every time we go on and proclaim peace in our time, and every time our enemies sieze the opportunity.

It isn't some speech in Cairo that enabled the death of our ambassador. It was our policy of intervention that did, and this is nothing new introduced by the current administration. It is nothing that will be fixed by a president Romney, either. His desire for open war will bring about our downfall in far more rapid fashion. Not that it matters in the end, I suppose; we as a nation seem driven to our own doom.

[TLAM Strike]

500 are protesting and waving AQ flags outside of our embassy in Kuwait...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...1af68f2f5e.701

and if you didn't hear with that ME press is saying about what the Libyans did to the Ambassador Stevens it's quite sick...

Warnings it has that NSFW picture and its in arabic so you will need to translate...
http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/Po...ia-zek-970.htm

(Basically they are saying they did to Stevens what happened to Qaddafi. )

[the_tyrant]

Give them 20 more years
When their oil runs out, who the hell still gives a damn about them?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Give them 20 more years
When their oil runs out, who the hell still gives a damn about them?

Three:

Business and globalised companies - who know no ethical scruples and national loyalties, but do business with everybody allowing them a profit as long as the profit is higher then the penalties they pay when getting caught while breaking embargos or laws.

Their women - with birth rates multiple times as high than that of ours. Our societies shrink, theirs explode in numbers. For two coming generations they will be brimming with youth's drive and energy to expand, to conquer, and turn the world into theirs - match that with the drive of Quranic ideology, and you are in for some party ahead. In 50, 60 years, overaging will catch them like we are being caught now. They will become tired, exhausted, old then. But until then - well, we better be on our guard. Which undoubtedly we are not.

Their Quranic self-perception - of being the final meaning and ending point of all human evolution and developement, with a fully Muslim mankind being the will of Allah - no matter the cost to get there.

[yubba]

[QUOTE=Takeda Shingen;1934102]They're your words:



Emphasis mine. If that's not a call to open war, I don't know what one is. Your hatred of Obama blinds you in regard to the big picture. Words did not cause this. It was action. It was our policy of regime change in the region since the Iran and the Shah in 1951. Every time we go on and proclaim peace in our time, and every time our enemies sieze the opportunity.

Guess what, you do what you do best is take my words out of context, no where in my statement, that we should do what we do best by p_ssen people off is by being free, advocates war with anyone,,. All we have to do is be free and stay free, and it p_sses them off. Well Uncle Joe said GM is alive and Bin la din is dead. Well your blind faith in Obama has blinded you to whats going on now our embassies are on fire around the world so what's the plan smart guy.????

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well your blind faith in Obama has blinded you to whats going on now our embassies are on fire around the world so what's the plan smart guy.????

I have no faith in Obama. I just have no faith in your guy Romney either.

How's this for a plan: Since we seem so bent on spending ourselves into oblivion via the military, why don't we pull our troops out of this region and bring them home to be put to work, I don't know, maybe defending America? We've got nearly 2000 miles of virtually open border right here that the cartels that practically run Mexico treat as their own personal highway and playground in ferrying people, drugs and weapons into our country. Moreover, it is a gaping hole in which terror groups can enter the US with impunity. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to patrol that area instead of trying to bring America's enemies into power by fighting some enemy in some desert on the other side of the world. If we put the kind of effort in policing our border with Mexico as we spend 'bringing democracy' and building nations in the Middle East we could solve our illegal immigration problems without having to worry about Dream Acts and other legislation.

Whaddya think?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I have no faith in Obama. I just have no faith in your guy Romney either.

How's this for a plan: Since we seem so bent on spending ourselves into oblivion via the military, why don't we pull our troops out of this region and bring them home to be put to work, I don't know, maybe defending America? We've got nearly 2000 miles of virtually open border right here that the cartels that practically run Mexico treat as their own personal highway and playground in ferrying people, drugs and weapons into our country. Moreover, it is a gaping hole in which terror groups can enter the US with impunity. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to patrol that area instead of trying to bring America's enemies into power by fighting some enemy in some desert on the other side of the world. If we put the kind of effort in policing our border with Mexico as we spend 'bringing democracy' and building nations in the Middle East we could solve our illegal immigration problems without having to worry about Dream Acts and other legislation.

Whaddya think?

Good luck with that.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I have no faith in Obama. I just have no faith in your guy Romney either.

How's this for a plan: Since we seem so bent on spending ourselves into oblivion via the military, why don't we pull our troops out of this region and bring them home to be put to work, I don't know, maybe defending America? We've got nearly 2000 miles of virtually open border right here that the cartels that practically run Mexico treat as their own personal highway and playground in ferrying people, drugs and weapons into our country. Moreover, it is a gaping hole in which terror groups can enter the US with impunity. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to patrol that area instead of trying to bring America's enemies into power by fighting some enemy in some desert on the other side of the world. If we put the kind of effort in policing our border with Mexico as we spend 'bringing democracy' and building nations in the Middle East we could solve our illegal immigration problems without having to worry about Dream Acts and other legislation.

Whaddya think?

Page 6, posting #89, second last paragraph:

Isolationism is no option here to reorganise America. The links to the outside world are too intense, the dependencies too vital, the mutual financial and economic interactions too inextricable as that this could be tried without even accelerating the fall.

If you want to accelerate the desintegration of the American empire, go ahead with isolationism. No empire ever so far could afford to turn passive. Whenever any empire reached that phase of its lifecycle, it died a slow death.

Globalisation was forthought by American business. And now it turns against you (and us as well) and bites us in our lower bottoms. Karma that is: cause and (longterm) effect.

Compare it to agriculture going from diverse farming to giant monocultures. Financial short term profit - versus long term disadvantages on social and environmental and biological levels. The same is done by seed companies having destroyed natural diversity of seeds and genetically deleting them to be reusable in secodn generation seeds, so that farmers must buy new seeds from the comnpany instead. This also will cost us dearly in the future.

Bigger, wider, higher, better, which seems to be a modern motto. But there are no God-cheats in real life. Everything comes at a cost. Every cause has a reaction. No shortcuts. No miracle alchemy turning dirt into pure gold.