Former Marine detained by FBI for facebook posts

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by yubba

Did you miss me

Not really.

well here's a whopper that will certainly make your heads spin

So its a numb nuts truther who was sectioned for making crazy threats.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So its a numb nuts truther who was sectioned for making crazy threats.

Still the government had no right to even mess with this guy it's called the constitution, and he didn't make any threats as far as I know, maybe you should provide some proof before you say anything against someone.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So its a numb nuts truther who was sectioned for making crazy threats.

I did not see where threats were mad. "Truther" he is.

[Oberon]

Personally I think that the Singaporean government is involved in this.

I did not see where threats were mad. "Truther" he is.

You mean stuff like Cutting off peoples heads while starting the revolution against the evil US government?
Did you think they could describe him as a possibly dangerous nut to a judge if he only wrote that the evil feds blew up the twin towers?

Interesting to see that his defence team was only trying to get him transfered to the local secure mental facility rather than the one that deals with mentally disturbed ex-servicemen as the VA facility was further from his home for the family to visit him.

[mapuc]

I do not know how to understand this thread.

Do you make fun of the mentioned because he is a "Truther"?

Or do you make fun of the thread?

If you making fun of this person. I can not understand why?

Has this person not entitled to have his own opinion about certain things, such as 11/9

Or has the American expression been restricted, in such a way that it no longer is allowed to have a different opinion than the official around 11/9

or what

Markus

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I do not know how to understand this thread.

Do you make fun of the mentioned because he is a "Truther"?

Or do you make fun of the thread?

If you making fun of this person. I can not understand why?

Has this person not entitled to have his own opinion about certain things, such as 11/9

Or has the American expression been restricted, in such a way that it no longer is allowed to have a different opinion than the official around 11/9

or what

Markus

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ebook-threats/

Well, if I were so inclined to make fun of Raub, it would probably be for this:

***8220;If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush***8217;s [sic] are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I***8217;m crazy? Think again.***8221; Raub wrote in a July 28, 2012 Facebook post.

And this:

On August 7, 2012 Raub posted to his profile a picture of men in robes by a lake with the caption, ***8221; Do you know that world leaders sacrifice children in robes?***8221;

Or perhaps you believe that the secret castle and robed ritual sacrifice are also worthy of serious consideration. I'll leave that to you.

[mapuc]

That's new to me. I just read the article in the first posting in this thread and about his believe in the 9/11 conspiracy.

The article you posted made me sick in the stomach

And I do NOT believe in his sick opinion about this castle.

I see his statement not as an threat, but as a sick insulting to your former president Bush and many others

I fight for a person's right to have his or her own opinion how sick it may be, as long it's not illegal of any kind.(and that's not the SAME as i believe in what this person say)

I heard about it yesterday, when a friend of mine posted an article on his wall I didn't read the article in the link, Just the headlines. Then I Saw Yubba's thread about the same. Then I read it and your opinion to it .

Markus

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ebook-threats/

Well, if I were so inclined to make fun of Raub, it would probably be for this:
And this:
Or perhaps you believe that the secret castle and robed ritual sacrifice are also worthy of serious consideration. I'll leave that to you.

While his beliefs are not mainstream - there is nothing in them that constitute any kind of threat. A man is free to believe what he chooses. Nothing in the article linked show any violent posting - other than the quote from a rap song. So how many other people on facebook are posting violent lyrics from songs - and how many others have been arrested?

The only other claim regarding "violent" posts refer to his communications that were directed to friends in reference to them all being involved in playing an online game with each other. So how many people talk smack when your playing games with your friends? How many are "psychologically detained" for it?

I don't know WHY this is happening - but the mere fact that it is makes one have to wonder why the powers that be - are reacting to him this way. If his beliefs were not so outlandis - it could possibly make one think he might be right...

[yubba]

You better watch out ,,, You better not cry ,,, better not pout,,,, I'm tellin you why,,,, because ,,,the FBI is comming to town .... They see you when you're sleeping ,,,, they know when you're awake,,, they know when you're naughty or nice, so be good for heavens sake.
So this guy mention cutting off heads in reference to a rap song he heard on a closed page of facebook, so who did he threaten again, I would be more worried about the black panthers talking on the air waves of killing whitey and calling for revolution {warning vile language} .
So why did the FBI think they needed to mess with a Marine, I also like the thought, that the FBI needed at least 10 pair of boots on the ground to take 1 Marine, cowards. So you better watch out ,,, you better not cry ,,, better not pout,,, I'm tellin you why ,,,, Because the Marine Corps is comein tooo town. You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us, you tipped your hand,, and now we are on to you, I see all these government agencies are buying millions of hollow point rounds, to bad they are pistol rounds, you won't get that close to a Marine. Still no warrant, no complaint, no arrest, and a judge found that the FBI violated his rights....

[Takeda Shingen]

Well, if the FBI wasn't reading this thread before, they are most certainly reading it now.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by yubba

So you better watch out ,,, you better not cry ,,, better not pout,,, I'm tellin you why ,,,, Because the Marine Corps is comein tooo town. You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us, you tipped your hand,, and now we are on to you, I see all these government agencies are buying millions of hollow point rounds, to bad they are pistol rounds, you won't get that close to a Marine. ....

Seriously doubt anyone from the Corps is coming to his rescue.
All these rounds that the Govt is supposed to be buying, is right from the "Conservative Alerts" daily BS,lol

http://www.conservative-daily.com/20...an-government/

[Platapus]

Raub talked about the Illuminati, a shadow organization in which "some of the leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers" and the "great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government." He said people may think he was going crazy, but a "civil war," the "Revolution" is coming.

"I'm starting the Revolution. I'm done waiting."

On July 24, he said he was at a "great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle."

On August 9 he talked about severing heads and told the generals he was coming for them.

On August 13, he wrote, "Sharpen up my axe; I'm here to sever heads."

On August 14, Raub wrote, "The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it."

On August 15, Raub wrote, "And they will say he said it to the NSA first."

http://www.networkworld.com/communit...rrorist-nature

This is always a tough call. What if he had gone postal, then the public would be crying "Why did we not do something when all the signs were there"?

I don't think this was the thought police infringing on a citizens right to state political opinions. The wording of some of his writings would, to a prudent person, indicate the chance that he was intending to take action. All we have are his words that he chose to publish. We can't know if he was joking/venting or whether he was intending on taking the action.

It is a tough call. Where is the line? Who decides where that line is?

We do not live in a peaceful society. We do have individuals who are taking violent actions against citizens. We also have citizens who like to joke/vent on the Internets Tubes.

How much False Positives are we willing to accept for a low number of False Negatives? And who chooses?

My opinion?

I can post on the Internets Tubes that Bush/Obama is a fink; that our congress sucks, and that generally I am really pissed at the current state of our government, that Bachmann is a skanque, and Pelosi is a crook.

All that is, and should be, protected under the First Amendment.

But as soon as I cross "the line" of making threats, that's when, in my opinion, I start moving outside my constitutional rights.

Now the argument can be made about the difference between credible threats and non-credible threats.

The evaluation on the credibility of threats comes after an investigation. Not before.

People have to recognize that threats are being perceived as being credible unless there is clear evidence otherwise. When people post threats on the Internets Tubes, people are taking this seriously and rightfully expect the authorities to investigate.

Now whether the government properly investigated in this specific instance is unknown as I am sure we do not have all the information.

I may, if the facts are ever released, even believe that the government did not investigate this person properly. But I do think that the government has the right and responsibility to investigate people making threats against government people.