Anti-Air Defences

Captain Nemo · 06-13-12, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yes they were, but they were designed to explode on contact, not as proximity or timed-fuse shells. One thing that has occured to me just now is the question of aircraft-mounted cannons. The Germans used 20mm and 30mm cannons on their fighters, and they definitely included exploding rounds. I don't recall ever reading about or seeing gun-camera footage of shells that exploded in the air after missing.

I don't know the facts in this case. Does anyone recall reading or seeing anything about this?

See http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/weapons15.htm particularly the section on the ZZ 1589 B fuse. Not sure if this particular round was used in aircraft cannon though.

Nemo

Sailor Steve · 06-13-12, 07:28 AM

Now that is interesting, especially the description of how the AZ 1587 fuse worked. There's always something new to learn.

Thanks for the link.

SuperEtendard · 06-13-12, 04:51 PM

In Il-2 Sturmovik, the shells, from airplanes and AA are very well-recreated, the only unrealistic thing are the colours the round has flying in the sky, but its only for recognizing porpouses. I used to play it A LOT. And i can tell that the AAA heavy flak, for example the 88 flak, their rounds were invisible, you only notice the explosion near your plane, an later the little black cloud that appears there (proximity shell). There are also the AAA smaller cannons, 20mm. 37mm. their rounds are visible (tracer) and the HE explodes when it hits your plane, but also they explode at a certain distance, i think this is when the shell burns out. When i play the japanese and attack american carrier groups, they fire on me, but i see where the light aaa explodes by itself and stay flying around behind that limit for some time, positioning me for a "perfect" attack run, most of times i get killed

(they have a lot of guns, and i have a Val, you could set it on fire throwing a stone at it ...

).

In Il-2 the type VIIIC has a four barreled 20mm flak and their HE rounds explode after some km of flying . The explosion is different than the heavy AAA. There is no black cloud that last some seconds. It just a little clear grey smoke for an instant, after the fireball.

I think this could be modded.

06-13-12, 07:28 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Now that is interesting, especially the description of how the AZ 1587 fuse worked. There's always something new to learn. Thanks for the link. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-13-12, 04:51 PM	#3
SuperEtendard Mate Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Buenos Aires, ARG Posts: 51 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	In Il-2 Sturmovik, the shells, from airplanes and AA are very well-recreated, the only unrealistic thing are the colours the round has flying in the sky, but its only for recognizing porpouses. I used to play it A LOT. And i can tell that the AAA heavy flak, for example the 88 flak, their rounds were invisible, you only notice the explosion near your plane, an later the little black cloud that appears there (proximity shell). There are also the AAA smaller cannons, 20mm. 37mm. their rounds are visible (tracer) and the HE explodes when it hits your plane, but also they explode at a certain distance, i think this is when the shell burns out. When i play the japanese and attack american carrier groups, they fire on me, but i see where the light aaa explodes by itself and stay flying around behind that limit for some time, positioning me for a "perfect" attack run, most of times i get killed (they have a lot of guns, and i have a Val, you could set it on fire throwing a stone at it ...). In Il-2 the type VIIIC has a four barreled 20mm flak and their HE rounds explode after some km of flying . The explosion is different than the heavy AAA. There is no black cloud that last some seconds. It just a little clear grey smoke for an instant, after the fireball. I think this could be modded.

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