"Truthers", 9/11 and Operation Northwoods

mapuc · 06-01-12, 04:13 PM

I presume that most of you have heard of Hans Christian Andersen and his story "Emperors new clothes"

The US government have told us that this "emperor" have new clothes on him. The problem is that most of us do not dare to speak otherwise, we are afraid of being mocked or laughed at.

Markus

flatsixes · 06-01-12, 04:46 PM

"Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe."
-S. Freud

Karle94 · 06-01-12, 05:39 PM

Also, the narrator got it all wrong. The RQ-4 Global Hawk is a UAV, not a drone. A drone is a very simple unmanned vehicle that can only do the simplest of manouvers. A UAV is either controlled from the ground or is completely self steered. A UAV is capable of doing anything that a plane can, and can in some cases do more since the only limitation on the plane is removed, the pilot.

I have to agree with you guys about these conspiracy theories. Ofcourse the government is hiding something, what government doesn`t? Why would the Bush administration kill 3000 civilans just to boost the ratings? That`s insanity.

One plane can easily slip through when the plane is no longer transmitting any information from the transponder. All it is, is a small blip among hundreds, if not thousands of blips. Even if they had intercepted them, they would`t shoot them down. Oh, and jet fuel can get hot enough to melt metal. Even if it can`t, how come planes are always completely destroyed when they burn long enough?

August · 06-01-12, 06:57 PM

The fatal flaw of all 9-11 conspiracies is that they fail to account for the massive coverups necessary to pull them off. We're talking about a conspiracy involving thousands upon thousands of people. We can't keep an illicit oval office BJ a secret but we can successfully pull off the biggest criminal conspiracy in human history? Not likely.

Sailor Steve · 06-01-12, 07:05 PM

And they never quite explain how people planted tons of explosives on every floor of these buildings without anyone noticing. Yes, they have tried, and no, their "explanations" don't cover the time and work involved.

Ducimus · 06-01-12, 07:11 PM

It must be true. I saw it on the internet.

Karle94 · 06-01-12, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And they never quite explain how people planted tons of explosives on every floor of these buildings without anyone noticing. Yes, they have tried, and no, their "explanations" don't cover the time and work involved.

He said it in the video. It takes at least two week to just plan it. And from two weeks to two months to execute. A lot of work over a large time span to go unnoticed. Too long.

Stealhead · 06-01-12, 08:29 PM

Still the Twin Towers where occupied 24/7 so people would have noticed the all the noise made when they place explosives for a demo.Anyone that believes that part of the theory just is not using common sense to think that not one person would say why are these guys drilling holes

.

I think also it would take much more than just two weeks two months sounds more believable and that would be at a demo job where they worked all day and where not trying hide anything.

How is a demo job done?
http://science.howstuffworks.com/eng...implosion1.htm

Notice what the supports look like? they removed all of the concrete around them to make them even weaker that would make a ton of noise and nobody in two buildings that where occupied 24/7 noticed all that noise?Right.................

Sailor Steve · 06-01-12, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Karle94

He said it in the video. It takes at least two week to just plan it. And from two weeks to two months to execute. A lot of work over a large time span to go unnoticed. Too long.

As I said, they never explain how no one noticed all that going on.

[edit] Ah, Stealhead beat me to it.

JU_88 · 06-02-12, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by August

The fatal flaw of all 9-11 conspiracies is that they fail to account for the massive coverups necessary to pull them off. We're talking about a conspiracy involving thousands upon thousands of people. We can't keep an illicit oval office BJ a secret but we can successfully pull off the biggest criminal conspiracy in human history? Not likely.

Agree with that, Governments are notoriosly bad a keeping secrets, and if 9/11 were a conspiricy, it would have involved an awful lot of people, thats said what so called 'whistle blowers' that have surfaced have either been ignored or ridiculed at nuts.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The claims of the 9/11 truthers have been debunked over and over, years ago.

The problem being, that the debunking is supported by the same type of speculation and straw man arguments that support the very conspiricy theories they intend to debunk. There is no conclusive or solid evidence to support either.
The fact that the full ins and outs of what happened on 9/11 is not supported by by any real substance or scientific fact is why the whole thing is left wind open to speculation, that is the bottom line.
People are left to 'choose' what to believe.

I guess my real question is why was the official investigation so poor? ground zero was crime scene and it was destroyed before any proper investigation or forensics could be carried out, that is what troubles me the most.

The other problem is this attitude that any one who questions 9/11 automatically deserves to be laughed at, insulted or ridiculled, some times the response is 'HOW DARE YOU'. that kind of attitude is dangerous, history has proven that the majority who hold poplular opinion can indeed be easily misled.
Also, questioning 9/11 is no more disrepectful to the the victims, than questioning the sinking of the titantic is disrespctful to the victims of that, people should really stop playing that song.

On the flip side, some 9/11 truthers do set themselves up for this kind of response but posting some ridiculous videos on youtube, with claims of orbs or holograms and god knows what else. ususually showing freeze framed zoomed in footage of the same grainy videos we have all seen a thousand times - while claiming is proof of <insert conspricy>
Some are way too obsessive, constantly looking for things which arent there....now that is rather sad and desperate.

So yeah Im still on the fence for this one.

Catfish · 06-02-12, 06:58 AM

Where did some of you get the "jewish conspiracy" from ?

On the fence, right - i don' really believe either side.

I did not say i believe it "just so", without lots of doubt left - there are.
But most of you evade the questions and facts posted in the vid. It is of no importance for me whether it was a UAV or a missile, as long it obviously cannot have been a jet airplane. From parts found to such jet parts missing, to the plane then having made a 270 degrees manoeuver to hit that reinforced and empty part of the pentagon.
Or the WTC's concrete being pulverized below the actual impact, as the explosives specialists from all over the world explain (also not all in this vid). From the explosions happening far below the impact, the outblowing concrete cannot have been pulverized by a fire - and this happens before the top crumbles.
B.t.w there has been an assassination try before that, where explosives were hidden in the WTC some time before 9/11. There are also videos of tons of material being brought into the building, if not in this video.

Let's end it here, i am not convinced - by either side.

06-02-12, 07:31 AM

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Where did some of you get the "jewish conspiracy" from ?

From the person who made the video you linked to on the "truther" website he is promoting in his video.
Its very easy, you can either look at his name or you can look at the web address, both are in the opening titles of that stupid crap you posted and asked people to look at.
I am terribly sorry, I didn't realise that when you were asking people to look you didn't want them to look or that you hadn't looked yourself.

Am I feeling free to laugh again?

06-02-12, 02:55 AM

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Like you needed telling.

I was being generous and only laughing at the sillyness of the "truther" theories.
If I was being less generous I would go to the source for some nice comments by the author of that video he linked to like....

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The sheeple cannot cope with the truth about 9/11, but most people who can face reality are now learning that Israel - along with Jews around the world - are responsible for the 9/11 attack and numerous other horrible crimes, and that the Jews are using the "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" trick to manipulate and deceive us. As a result, this minority of higher-quality people are moving to such issues as:

....and say .....Catfish you really are something special to be linking to idiots like that and asking to be taken seriously, you would be lucky if people only laughed at that bigoted rubbish you are pushing

Egan · 06-02-12, 04:56 AM

Ah yes, the Jews. Always the Jews, isn't it? Considering how few of them there are, they must all be very busy, what with all the world domination and international finance and media and stuff. Personally, I think it's nice to see some motivated self starters making something of themselves.

I'm with Tribesman on this. I have become increasingly impressed with the way so many conspiracy theories these days eventually boil down to 'Teh Jews Did it." So much of the troofer movement just seems to be good old anti-semitism in a modern guise. Unfortunately, it's beginning to feel like I can say that about a number of things these days.

06-01-12, 04:13 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I presume that most of you have heard of Hans Christian Andersen and his story "Emperors new clothes" The US government have told us that this "emperor" have new clothes on him. The problem is that most of us do not dare to speak otherwise, we are afraid of being mocked or laughed at. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

06-01-12, 05:39 PM	#3
Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	Also, the narrator got it all wrong. The RQ-4 Global Hawk is a UAV, not a drone. A drone is a very simple unmanned vehicle that can only do the simplest of manouvers. A UAV is either controlled from the ground or is completely self steered. A UAV is capable of doing anything that a plane can, and can in some cases do more since the only limitation on the plane is removed, the pilot. I have to agree with you guys about these conspiracy theories. Ofcourse the government is hiding something, what government doesn`t? Why would the Bush administration kill 3000 civilans just to boost the ratings? That`s insanity. One plane can easily slip through when the plane is no longer transmitting any information from the transponder. All it is, is a small blip among hundreds, if not thousands of blips. Even if they had intercepted them, they would`t shoot them down. Oh, and jet fuel can get hot enough to melt metal. Even if it can`t, how come planes are always completely destroyed when they burn long enough? __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

06-01-12, 06:57 PM	#4
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The fatal flaw of all 9-11 conspiracies is that they fail to account for the massive coverups necessary to pull them off. We're talking about a conspiracy involving thousands upon thousands of people. We can't keep an illicit oval office BJ a secret but we can successfully pull off the biggest criminal conspiracy in human history? Not likely. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

06-01-12, 07:05 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And they never quite explain how people planted tons of explosives on every floor of these buildings without anyone noticing. Yes, they have tried, and no, their "explanations" don't cover the time and work involved. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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06-01-12, 04:46 PM	#2
flatsixes Weps Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 362 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	"Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe." -S. Freud

06-01-12, 07:11 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It must be true. I saw it on the internet.

06-01-12, 08:29 PM	#8
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Still the Twin Towers where occupied 24/7 so people would have noticed the all the noise made when they place explosives for a demo.Anyone that believes that part of the theory just is not using common sense to think that not one person would say why are these guys drilling holes . I think also it would take much more than just two weeks two months sounds more believable and that would be at a demo job where they worked all day and where not trying hide anything. How is a demo job done? http://science.howstuffworks.com/eng...implosion1.htm Notice what the supports look like? they removed all of the concrete around them to make them even weaker that would make a ton of noise and nobody in two buildings that where occupied 24/7 noticed all that noise?Right.................

06-02-12, 06:58 AM	#11
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,779 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Where did some of you get the "jewish conspiracy" from ? On the fence, right - i don' really believe either side. I did not say i believe it "just so", without lots of doubt left - there are. But most of you evade the questions and facts posted in the vid. It is of no importance for me whether it was a UAV or a missile, as long it obviously cannot have been a jet airplane. From parts found to such jet parts missing, to the plane then having made a 270 degrees manoeuver to hit that reinforced and empty part of the pentagon. Or the WTC's concrete being pulverized below the actual impact, as the explosives specialists from all over the world explain (also not all in this vid). From the explosions happening far below the impact, the outblowing concrete cannot have been pulverized by a fire - and this happens before the top crumbles. B.t.w there has been an assassination try before that, where explosives were hidden in the WTC some time before 9/11. There are also videos of tons of material being brought into the building, if not in this video. Let's end it here, i am not convinced - by either side.

06-02-12, 04:56 AM	#14
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Ah yes, the Jews. Always the Jews, isn't it? Considering how few of them there are, they must all be very busy, what with all the world domination and international finance and media and stuff. Personally, I think it's nice to see some motivated self starters making something of themselves. I'm with Tribesman on this. I have become increasingly impressed with the way so many conspiracy theories these days eventually boil down to 'Teh Jews Did it." So much of the troofer movement just seems to be good old anti-semitism in a modern guise. Unfortunately, it's beginning to feel like I can say that about a number of things these days.