The gathering storm

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Heh, wow. If what he's going on about is true, you all got a serious problem over there.

It's Pat, i would take what he is saying with a grain of salt.

You can't deny that something has gone very wrong in Brussels though

If it wasn't going wrong in Brussels it would be going wrong in Dublin or Westminster or Tokyo, its a regular cycle.

It's Pat, i would take what he is saying with a grain of salt.

The sad beauty of Pat is he cannot see what he is actually saying anymore.
he is like Skybird
Take this present example, Pat talks about the problems and the threats and the pitfalls, that performance is then picked up with a big "me too" by the very people he is warning against and they support him because he is giving exactly the same message as they are.
Its like Skybird when he complains about extremism but then goes into quoting verse and chapter of "my struggle" as a solution, or when he complains about lack of democracy while singing the praises of dictatorship.
Both are so locked up in their "message" and its correctness that they can no longer think straight and connect the dots of their now thoroughly disjointed mental processes

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It'S coming for you as well. It is already happening.

Given this age of globalism we live in, where a stone here, causes a ripple there, yeah probably. The question in my mind is to what degree.

Originally Posted by Morts

It's Pat, i would take what he is saying with a grain of salt.

Who's Pat, and why should i care? Honestly, I ask that question about any "celebrity" or "personality" i see in any media.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Who's Pat, and why should i care? Honestly, I ask that question about any "celebrity" or "personality" i see in any media.

Honestly? Some commentator called him a verbal daisy-cutter, which he is indeed. A standoff-comedian and stage script writer. Atheist, and vegetarian. Member of the British Humanist Association. I think I took it somewhere he is friend with Richard Dawkins. He is member of or at least campaigns for the europe-sceptical UK Independence Party, which I have some sympathy for, although I am not British. Some people tried to claim his videos for the BNP, which he always has furiously defended himself against, leaving no doubt that he wants to have nothing to do with the BNP, Neonazis, white supremacists, the KKK and the like. His videos also are sometimes posted by posters on behalf of the English Defence League, I am not in knowledge whether he gets hijacked by them like by the BNP, or is indeed associated with them (which I cannot really imagine, by the few info I have on the EDL). He is not in that kind of Nazi BNP business and in some videos found very clear words for what he thinks about this kind of Nazi breed. To Condell, Islam can only be get rid of by getting rid of the three desert dogmas and their organisations alltogether, which of course includes the christian club of organised crime, the churches. He is also associated to Richard Dawkin's foundation.

I use to agree with his points in a felt 95% of all details. The few disagreements are such that I can tolerate their existence and leave it to that.

[Skybird]

I have researched a bit on the English Defence League and do not like it much, seems to be a very unfriendly kind of right extremist breed, or am I wrong? And Pat Condell seems to not like them either. I also find that some strangers post several of Pat's videos and change the titles and the author to something as if the video or Pat were connected to the EDL. However, if you check the same video as it was originally posted by Pat himself on his very own Youtube channel, you see that such references all are not there. So some people seem to hijack him for their own agendas, either to benefit from him in their own intentions, or to give him bad name by trying to compromise his reputation.

I have replaced the link in the first post with the link to the original first posting of the video by Pat himself on his channel, therefore. The link I stumbled over and had posted first, was such a hijacked one. If you find videos by him with mentioning of the EDL in the title, be aware that these are hijacked videos, and not link to his own channel. I have found no hint whatever that he is in favour of the EDL or has anything to do with them. EDL on the one hand and the British Humanist Association or the UKIP on the other wouldn't go well together anyway, nor did I get the impression that the EDL can raise that much so that it could meet these organisations or the qualification of people like Dawkins, Hitchens or Condell on same eye level.

Rufmord, we call it in German. Or defamation.

[Egan]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I have researched a bit on the English Defence League and do not like it much, seems to be a very unfriendly kind of right extremist breed, or am I wrong?
Rufmord

From what I remember, a number of their higher up members have ties to the BNP. Basically, they are right wing bootboys who try to pretend they are multi-cultural, but really, really aren't. In their early days, there were a number of groups such as Jewish organizations and Gay rights groups who believed they had common ground with them but many of those groups have removed themselves from any form of support. I would recommend trawling the archives at Harrys Place to find out more. They aren't very pleasant, as some of the videos of them terrorizing Muslim youths in various branches of Macdonalds will testify.

To me they always seemed like the sort of right wingers who claimed to support Israel only because they thought it gave them a mandate to hate Muslims as Socialists.

I can't speak about Condell, but I'd be surprised if Dawkins was any form of fan for the EDL. As a big Hitchens fanboi I would say it would be a cold day in hell that he would have ever given any form of support to such fascist scum.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Egan

From what I remember, a number of their higher up members have ties to the BNP. Basically, they are right wing bootboys who try to pretend they are multi-cultural, but really, really aren't. In their early days, there were a number of groups such as Jewish organizations and Gay rights groups who believed they had common ground with them but many of those groups have removed themselves from any form of support. I would recommend trawling the archives at Harrys Place to find out more. They aren't very pleasant, as some of the videos of them terrorizing Muslim youths in various branches of Macdonalds will testify.

To me they always seemed like the sort of right wingers who claimed to support Israel only because they thought it gave them a mandate to hate Muslims as Socialists.

Then it is clear that Pat cannot be linked to them. He has attacked the BNP repeatedly, clearly and left no doubt on what he thinks of them. Even more underhanded to link him to them, then.