Iran nuclear talks open in Baghdad

[Catfish]

Yes, i meant the 8th strongest, however this does not mean that Iran had not been heavily armed, as a bulwark against communism.
The history of Persia/Iran and how it became what it is, is quite interesting, if you lay your CIA "factbook" aside for a while

[Oberon]

Iran is another Afghanistan. Armed by us against the Commies, only to turn against us.

Thankfully, most of the weapons we gave them have broken down now and since they can't get the spares particularly easily, they use Russkie and Chinese stuff instead, which...truth be told, isn't much less potent...

[Catfish]

^ This is what i meant. One should think twice of whom to support because it may fall back on oneself on day.

The West (especially the US, but also Germany - in fact almost all) have sold arms, material and training to Iran (Shah) and Iraq (Saddam H.) back then, always supporting the (to put in bluntly) dictators and torturers of said countries suppressing their own people, never supporting democracy whatever our brainwashed media tells us. Right now we are doing the same with Saudi-Arabia, VAR etc..
I do not see much responsability, it is just shortsighted earning money by sending war machinery in the worst regions of a coming crisis, and political plays at the cost of the citizens.

The only thing i can at least understand is us supporting Israel with the Dolphin boats no matter what, but on the other hand to have experienced injustice and terror once, does not automatically allow doing the same to others. Who does not understand that should really read Viktor E. Frankl's "Nevertheless Yes to Life".

Thanks Oberon,
Catfish

[MH]

When looking at past involvement in Iran or Iraq you should view it from the perspective of cold war.
Not every thing done was smart but we know it in retrospective.
Now... when it comes to supporting SA regime i wonder what the alternative would be....I suppose something alike current Libyan or Iraqi situation with deep Iranian involvement...and long period of total chaos
So west would naturally need to support someone but i don't think it would have anything to do with freedom and liberty anyway....Saudis are not even close to Egyptians in that regard.
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Also what would be the economical coasts to world if gas flow is disrupted...
Are the brave citizens of the world ready to deal with very high gas prices and economy going nuts in the name "good doing" or simply not supporting anyone?
That would give Chinese a good opportunity to buy gas.They don't care if its Al Qaeda or anyone else...will of the people is will of the people...right?


Well you know i'm not fan of Saudis ....cant wait for some alternative and them returning to riding camels....

You people should recognize that not everything that goes in ME is western meddling...this is truly messed up region mentally and culturally so most of the part one would end up supporting something that would normally hate back home.
One way or another... but who knows maybe they will catch on someday i would like to hope.



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[Catfish]

Hello MH,
you are certainly right, a lot of what happens is made up and caused right there. However it seems we have not learned too much from the previous century when it come sto intervention - and most of our interventions are even denied today (middle America ..).

Regarding our need for gas, crude, fuel and all of those other resources, without we would not be able to e.g. have a TV remote control or cars.

So we need this "Rexeroid", "Lonolit", "Gleco", "Trekton" etc. we have been made dependent on, i know
- did you read Philip K. Dick's "Some kinds of life" ? A very good short story

Greetings,
Catfish

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So we need this "Rexeroid", "Lonolit", "Gleco", "Trekton" etc. we have been made dependent on, i know
- did you read Philip K. Dick's "Some kinds of life" ? A very good short story

Greetings,
Catfish

I haven't red the story.Will give it a try on some occasion.
The gas companies may have too much power but we have been made dependent on them by our choice and necessity just in the same way as we are dependent on Arab oil.
Lets not forget that gulf countries are the most richest never-never land places on earth...not some poor forsaken exploited people that hardly get about.
Actually in SA the fellow Muslim foreigners are the exploited low wages class that do all the dirty jobs while the Saudis are busy spending billions of oil money on some nonsense projects and high tech weapons for the prince.

I also think that it is very smart of USA to buy the Arab oil while withholding its own reserves for the future.






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