UN demands US relinquish control of Mount Rushmore.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Sure, we will relinquish all funding to the UN farce, as well as withdrawl all of our European military bases.

We will then withdrawl all our troops and equipment from the UN, then put an embargo on all arms sales to the UN.

(that means not using our GPS, suckers)

So hows that Russia/China thing workin out for ya.

I am laughing harder than TLAM

Well as far as I am aware only our closest NATO(not 100% if all of them due) allies and Canada,Australia,Japan(?),South Korea(?),and Israel have access to weapons systems such as JDAMs that take full advantage of our GPS system matter of fact the high quality kind that you can buy in stores in just about as accurate in fact many US elite forces make use of store purchased GPS systems as they are higher in reliability though a bit less accurate they wont cut of that because this is what you happen to use in your GPS as well.

So if we cut off aid to the UN they would not be missing much in that department and France has its own line of military weapons right down the line they even have their own version of
5.56mm such is the level of their snootiness.Also not that many nations rely on US made weapons anymore in particular when it comes to small arms and you can buy Russian or French high tech.Also each nation is responsible for equipping its own UN troop contingent it a very different beast from NATO or a similar treaty.In both cases we are giving them money that is true.

Of course the US at one point did forcibly remove the original owners of that land our government has resolved such issues with native american tribes.They also happen to own much of the land around Rushmore anyway in fact you can find the not yet complete Crazy Horse monument in the same region it is on a Lakota reservation.The UN chap seems to not be aware of these resolutions it seems.

So its the daily mail and it has a headline with a question mark.
You really ought to stop swallowing that crap TLAM.

So the topic of......
UN demands US relinquish control of Mount Rushmore.
....is simply dealt with by .....no they didn't.


Still if people want to get heated over a non story how about a real story, The US supreme court says the US took the lands illegaly, that means US says they don't own them.
Its funny to see people getting annoyed over a daily fail article.
Perhaps next they will be saying Anaya should bugger off back to where he came from....

Of course the US at one point did forcibly remove the original owners of that land our government has resolved such issues with native american tribes.They also happen to own much of the land around Rushmore anyway in fact you can find the not yet complete Crazy Horse monument in the same region it is on a Lakota reservation.The UN chap seems to not be aware of these resolutions it seems.

Yet as the article says if you look past the headline, last month the government settled some more claims, the offer of money over Rushmore has been rejected, loads more claims are still ongoing.
So its more likely that the UN chap is fully aware of those that have been resolved and those that have not, and it is very likely that since Rushmore is one thast still isn't resolved it is the reason for it to be on the "to do" list.
I wonder how many are still outstanding in his own state?


So lets see what this UN chap really said.
"It's undisputed that the Black Hills was guaranteed them by treaty and that treaty was just outright violated by the United States in the 1900s. That has been recognised by the United States supreme court"
Anyone want to take issue with the evil UN over that?
or perhaps take issue with the evil supreme court?

I am laughing harder than TLAM

How much was your contribution to the last billion dollar settlement your government had to pay for illegally using indian land? How much did your parents contribute to the payout over the black hills which is still sitting in limbo as it isn't resolved.

I wonder what his report will say about the progress of Akaka.

[the_tyrant]

If I'm not mistaken, GPS is a passive system.
How the hell to you block one nations' GPS only?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

If I'm not mistaken, GPS is a passive system.
How the hell to you block one nations' GPS only?

You can change the access and accuracy via code, meaning all with a code can see and use it tailored to their own key they received.
If the code is being changed and you don't have the new key - well.

Anyway Russia has its own GPS, and so has Europe by now.



Anyway if this continues, with the Indians getting back their land where will it stop ?
Give Texas back to Mexico
Give Cuba back to Spain
And Palestine to the Phoenicians ..

Anyway if this continues, with the Indians getting back their land where will it stop ?
Give Texas back to Mexico
Give Cuba back to Spain
And Palestine to the Phoenicians ..

Follow the paperwork and show where the paperwork hasn't been followed.
If it is absent or has been followed then your attempt at expanding comparisons is a fail
America is paying up because it didn't follow the paperwork it drew up itself....simple isn't it.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

So if we cut off aid to the UN they would not be missing much in that department and France has its own line of military weapons right down the line they even have their own version of
5.56mm such is the level of their snootiness.

The 5.56 x 45mm Nato round in use by the French Army is exactly the same as the US 5,56 x 45mm Nato Round as this ammo is Nato standarized (STANAG 4172). You can also use M-16 Mags in a FAMAS Rifle, no problem with that, because the Mags are also standarized (STANAG 4179).

[_dgn_]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

The 5.56 x 45mm Nato round in use by the French Army is exactly the same as the US 5,56 x 45mm Nato Round as this ammo is Nato standarized (STANAG 4172). You can also use M-16 Mags in a FAMAS Rifle, no problem with that, because the Mags are also standarized (STANAG 4179).

Only with the FAMAS G2 (SS109 ammunition and 30 rounds magazines are interchangeable with US M16A2 or US M4).

FAMAS F1 and G1 use M193 ammunition and 25 rounds magazines (not interchangeable with US M16A2 or US M4).

[Stealhead]

FAMAS FAMAS F1 and G1 are used by the French military the G2 is for export the F1 and the G1 use a French version of M193 the American 5.56mm round it must be a steel casing due to the delayed blow back nature of the FAMAS non steel casings will cause over pressure so the M193 rounds are uniquely French.

The M193 rounds can be used in an M-16/M-4 though but the 25 round magazines can not it seems that French military did not select the G2 as you can see videos of French troops in Afghanistan armed with F1 and G1s but never
G2 I think one reason might be the 30 round magazine the 25 rounders obviously force a reduction in the RPM being put down the 30 round magazines might be more likely to cause a French solider in the heat of battle to over heat his rifle then he would have to run away and request UN support.

At any rate if you look at recent arms deals around the world many buyers are not selecting American systems the Saudis purchased the Typhoon over upgrading the F-15 and many smaller nations are buying Swedish aircraft (the Grippen) or French aircraft (the Rafale) over competing American and British designs these aircraft also come with their own weapons systems not developed by the US or UK I image that Russia also loses out as of late as well.

[Platapus]

Wow, you guys get spun up over the littlest things.

The UN has not decided anything. Nor will they.

1. The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is not a legally binding resolution.

2. Nothing in the 46 articles indicates in any way that a country would ever have to give anything back. There is an article for reparations, but that is only for land taken illegally. Since the US writes the laws, most of what we did to the Indians was legal.

3. Not to doubt the Daily Mail, but according to the UN website, the reports of Mr. S. James Anaya don't mention Mt Rushmore. BTW the Daily Mail could not even get his name right.

What Mr. Anaya is saying about the US is the same he is saying about other countries "you guys really need to improve the way you preserve indigenous cultures. "

In other words, nothing to see here folks.

[August]

They just want to get their evil UN hands on the treasure buried beneath Mt. Rushmore. You can't fool me, I have National Treasure II.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Wow, you guys get spun up over the littlest things.

The UN has not decided anything. Nor will they.

1. The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is not a legally binding resolution.

2. Nothing in the 46 articles indicates in any way that a country would ever have to give anything back. There is an article for reparations, but that is only for land taken illegally. Since the US writes the laws, most of what we did to the Indians was legal.

3. Not to doubt the Daily Mail, but according to the UN website, the reports of Mr. S. James Anaya don't mention Mt Rushmore. BTW the Daily Mail could not even get his name right.

What Mr. Anaya is saying about the US is the same he is saying about other countries "you guys really need to improve the way you preserve indigenous cultures. "

In other words, nothing to see here folks.

Well that is pretty obvious.I just thought that the GPS comment was funny.I like how some members of native tribes make a big deal about a bit of ground being special to them for example a Seminole reservation here in Florida they made a huge deal about a bit of land and got it back becuase it had been a burial ground Know what stands on that ground now?A Hard Rock Casino how about the indigenous cultures respect their own? I know such things are not the reflection of all Native Americans but you cant tell me that a casino being on top of your old burial ground is not a desecration.

If people are going to go about handing back land to their original owners, maybe we should find some Celts to hand the majority of western Europe back to.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

be more likely to cause a French solider in the heat of battle to over heat his rifle then he would have to run away and request UN support.

I take this as an personal insult!

[Platapus]

Anyone read Robert Ludlum's Road to Omaha?

Evidently there was, in his fictional world, a treaty that gave this Indian tribe perpetual ownership of some land in Nebraska. Omaha actually and the Headquarters of Strategic Air Command to be specific.

And the Indians demanded the land and all improvements to be given back to them.

[soopaman2]

The Visigoths called, they want the Balkans back.

The Romans called right after, they want all of Europe back south of Hadrians wall.

The Mesopotamians called, and they are demanding the Tigris and Euphrates valley.

How far back does whitey have to go for self hate?

How about this...Conquered people.... deal with it. The Japanese and Germans did, and came out stronger, they did not make excuses, they moved on.