Senate Blocks Buffett Rule 30% Tax Floor on Top Earners.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Prime example is the hate-filled emotional trench warfare in the US, but in principle it is present everywhere.

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And somebody mentioned how filibusters precent congress and senate from deciding. What puts the US aside from the West is that there a minority can delay and even prevent a basic democratic principle: that is that the decision gets formed my majority vote. That is what democracy is about: majority votes. Filibustering is the way to bypass this unwelcomed little detail.

No Sky, you misunderstand our government. We are - as was discussed - a representative republic - where the representatives are elected by a democratic process. The House operates more as a "democracy" while the Senate has rules in place that prevent a pure "majority rule". This is - much to the chagrin of some - on both sides depending on who has a majority - by design. It protects the people and make it harder for the government to rule by 51% telling the other 49% how to live.

The design helps insure that one party must have a strong mandate from the people - as demonstrated by the # of elected representatives in congress - to enact legislation. The difference between "majority rule" and a filibuster proof majority is a mere 10% - if a party cannot meet that threshold, then it has no strong mandate.

[Fr8monkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

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No Sky, you misunderstand our government. We are - as was discussed - a representative republic - where the representatives are elected by a democratic process. The House operates more as a "democracy" while the Senate has rules in place that prevent a pure "majority rule". This is - much to the chagrin of some - on both sides depending on who has a majority - by design. It protects the people and make it harder for the government to rule by 51% telling the other 49% how to live.

The design helps insure that one party must have a strong mandate from the people - as demonstrated by the # of elected representatives in congress - to enact legislation. The difference between "majority rule" and a filibuster proof majority is a mere 10% - if a party cannot meet that threshold, then it has no strong mandate.

Now it is set so just 1 person along with 40 others.... 41 senators in all can prevent any progress in the government that represents 300,000,000. That is how a filibuster works.

[CaptainHaplo]

Now it is set so just 1 person along with 40 others.... 41 senators in all can prevent any progress in the government that represents 300,000,000. That is how a filibuster works.

A government that represents 300 Million?

Lets see - you mean a government that refuses to represent the 300 Million don't you?

After all - 60% of the country wants to open up offshore drilling - up from 50% last year - yet the government refuses to represent the wishes of the citizenry....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146615/oi...americans.aspx

56% of people want Obamacare repealed - and the government instead is fighting as hard as it can to force it upon the people...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

66% of Americans believe that the U.S. "should not make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens" (CNN, April 2010).
http://www.fairus.org/facts/public-opinion

73% of Americans feel the country is on the wrong track - and its government that has us going down that track....
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...or_wrong_track

Oh - and the clincher....
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. voters feel the federal government has lost touch with the people it represents. Only 20% say the government now has the consent of the governed...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...f_the_governed

The only thing PROTECTING the people from an out of control government is the safeguards that require more than mere mob rule.....

[mookiemookie]

Rasmussen polls are notoriously biased and inaccurate.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rmed-strongly/

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Rasmussen polls are notoriously biased and inaccurate.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rmed-strongly/

At least according to the New York Times, official propaganda organ of the Democratic party.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Rasmussen polls are notoriously biased and inaccurate.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rmed-strongly/

And how many times have you fussed about someone else using a BLOG as a source of fact, Mookie..

Not to mention - is Gallup and CNN also biased to the right?

Perhaps you'd like a Zogby poll better? Their latest has 58% saying the nations is going the wrong way....

(This link won't last - its their "latest" poll - so you may have to search the site for it soon)
http://www.ibopezogby.com/polls/latest/
I could go on and on ....

Got any polls that show Americans overwhelmingly love the healthcare debacle, soaring debt, amnesty, or high gas prices due to a lack of domestic energy production????

Yea... I thouht not...
Well, you can probably find a blogger or two that might like it... that has to count, right?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

At least according to the New York Times, official propaganda organ of the Democratic party.

If you can find fault with Mr. Silver's analysis, which is based on the notoriously liberal lie that is....uh...comparing pre-election polls with actual observed election results....then your argument basically boils down to "NUH UH, THE NEW YORK TIMES SAID IT SO NUH UH!"

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

And how many times have you fussed about someone else using a BLOG as a source of fact, Mookie..

Not to mention - is Gallup and CNN also biased to the right?

Perhaps you'd like a Zogby poll better? Their latest has 58% saying the nations is going the wrong way....

(This link won't last - its their "latest" poll - so you may have to search the site for it soon)
http://www.ibopezogby.com/polls/latest/
I could go on and on ....

Got any polls that show Americans overwhelmingly love the healthcare debacle, soaring debt, amnesty, or high gas prices due to a lack of domestic energy production????

Yea... I thouht not...
Well, you can probably find a blogger or two that might like it... that has to count, right?

Whine and snark all you want, so long as you strive to use accurate sources to back up your statements. Rasmussen polls are not that source.

Also, you can pull the same knee jerk argument that is "NUH UH THE NEW YORK TIMES SAID IT, SO NUH UH!" as August did, but realize it only makes you look intellectually lazy. If you can find the partisan spin in "hey Rasumussen said the election would be this way, but it actually turned out to be this way, so Rasmussen was off by X%" then I'd love to hear it.

As you said - Yeah, I thought not.

In conclusion, if you use Rasmussen to back up your statements, then your evidence is not evidence at all.

[Armistead]

One thing for sure we have a dying middle class, just compare it to the middle class of the 60's-80's, that's why our nation is headed for the dumps. Almost every study shows that our next generation will face a nation where 10% hold over 80% of total wealth. The sad thing will be when the 20% face retirement at probably age 75 by then when SS and medicare in the tank.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

In conclusion, if you use Rasmussen to back up your statements, then your evidence is not evidence at all.

Except that he also provided links to several other polling organizations with similar results that also back up the point he was making to Fr8monkey.

And yes nothing the NYT says can be trusted. Their bias to Team D is greater than Fox's bias to Team R and you can bet that the article you quoted is only there because it's conclusions agree with that bias.