How free speech can get you fired

Aramike · 04-11-12, 06:53 PM

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech.

Platapus · 04-11-12, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech.

And that is a very important concept to remember.

JU_88 · 04-12-12, 04:01 PM

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In America, everyone has the right to free speech.

Or do they

Get with the times....

Maybe it should be:
"In America, everyone used to have the right to free speech."

Catfish · 04-12-12, 04:33 PM

Maybe a bit harsh to exactly "praise" Castro.

And maybe the Spanish weren't better before the US won the spanish-american war - but have Americans ever wondered how the US behaved in Cuba, before Fidel had his Putsch ?
It was the whorehouse of the Navy, all good old boys would wash their money there, and it was #1 drug selling place for the Mafia and playground for international espionage, a real playground - indirectly backed by the US government so e.g. the 'mob' would not concentrate on the US mainland. People are not happy under Fidel, but they sure also weren't before: "Rum and Coca Cola, both mother and daughter, workin' for the Yankee dollar"
What will they do with Guantanamo, after it belongs to the US again ? Still neutral territory for torture and illegal imprisonment ?

And this quote justifies what Russia did for decades. Speak out what you will, we will just put youin jail and torture you, but you can say what you want in our free country lol
Quote from Platapus:
"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech."

mookiemookie · 04-12-12, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech.

End of thread. Game, set, match.

You are free to say stupid stuff, but then again, your boss is free to exercise their freedom of speech and tell you to pack it in and get out.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 04-13-12, 12:10 AM

But that means in practice you DON'T have freedom of speech. Saying you have a certain freedom is USELESS w/o guaranteeing a certain degree of protection against the powers-that-be that might not like the way you employed said freedom, be it a government or a corporation.

And separating between government and corporation is dangerous b/c both are powers that be and their interests are often quite allied. Imagine government (being restricted from taking direct action) quietly promising benefits to corporations if only they cashiered (using their rights) any employee caught putting out anti-government messages. Good bye, freedom of speech.

Catfish · 04-13-12, 01:30 AM

^This.

OT:
You can say what you want, but we will hear all of it :
http://presstv.com/detail/232475.html

"The facility of USD 2 billion is designed to “intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications including the contents of telephone calls, private e-mails, mobile phone text messages and Internet searches."

Or, to be blunt, your privacy is an idea of the past.

Platapus · 04-13-12, 05:56 PM

No, what it means is that the government can't make any laws infringing on your freedom of speech.

Try telling your wife that you have freedom of speech.

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u crank · 04-13-12, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Try telling your wife that you have freedom of speech.

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Sounds like a guy who learned that the hard way!

Platapus · 04-13-12, 06:33 PM

Let's just say that education occurred.

Stealhead · 04-13-12, 06:41 PM

I think that many Americans misunderstand what freedom of speech means to be honest Ozzie Guillen did not get arrested finned or other wise punished by the state local or federal government therefore his rights where not violated and he did not get fired only suspended so he just can not go to games for a few days.

I think some think that it is literal that you can say anything that you want to whomever you want when you want when it really is allowing a citizen to say "I do not like this about my government" without fear of punishment (so long as they do not directly incite violence or threaten).

04-13-12, 05:56 PM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	No, what it means is that the government can't make any laws infringing on your freedom of speech. Try telling your wife that you have freedom of speech. ... __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Let's just say that education occurred. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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04-11-12, 06:53 PM	#1
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech.

04-12-12, 04:33 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,779 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Maybe a bit harsh to exactly "praise" Castro. And maybe the Spanish weren't better before the US won the spanish-american war - but have Americans ever wondered how the US behaved in Cuba, before Fidel had his Putsch ? It was the whorehouse of the Navy, all good old boys would wash their money there, and it was #1 drug selling place for the Mafia and playground for international espionage, a real playground - indirectly backed by the US government so e.g. the 'mob' would not concentrate on the US mainland. People are not happy under Fidel, but they sure also weren't before: "Rum and Coca Cola, both mother and daughter, workin' for the Yankee dollar" What will they do with Guantanamo, after it belongs to the US again ? Still neutral territory for torture and illegal imprisonment ? And this quote justifies what Russia did for decades. Speak out what you will, we will just put youin jail and torture you, but you can say what you want in our free country lol Quote from Platapus: "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech."

04-13-12, 12:10 AM	#6
Kazuaki Shimazaki II Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	But that means in practice you DON'T have freedom of speech. Saying you have a certain freedom is USELESS w/o guaranteeing a certain degree of protection against the powers-that-be that might not like the way you employed said freedom, be it a government or a corporation. And separating between government and corporation is dangerous b/c both are powers that be and their interests are often quite allied. Imagine government (being restricted from taking direct action) quietly promising benefits to corporations if only they cashiered (using their rights) any employee caught putting out anti-government messages. Good bye, freedom of speech.

04-13-12, 01:30 AM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,779 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^This. OT: You can say what you want, but we will hear all of it : http://presstv.com/detail/232475.html "The facility of USD 2 billion is designed to “intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications including the contents of telephone calls, private e-mails, mobile phone text messages and Internet searches." Or, to be blunt, your privacy is an idea of the past.

04-13-12, 06:41 PM	#11
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I think that many Americans misunderstand what freedom of speech means to be honest Ozzie Guillen did not get arrested finned or other wise punished by the state local or federal government therefore his rights where not violated and he did not get fired only suspended so he just can not go to games for a few days. I think some think that it is literal that you can say anything that you want to whomever you want when you want when it really is allowing a citizen to say "I do not like this about my government" without fear of punishment (so long as they do not directly incite violence or threaten).