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Old 04-09-12, 08:13 PM   #1
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Not really new; way back in the 80s, I worked on a student class registration automation project at USC. Almost all the foreign students were registering for classes in the sciences (physics, math, engineereing, etc.), while the "native-born" were registering in MBA business type classes, humanities, etc. Very few of the U.S. students were taking the sciences. The foreign students were mainly from Asia (China, Japan, S. Korea, etc.), the Middle East, and the Near East, notably Iran. The thought did occur to me at the time that the balance in innovation would pass from the U.S. to other nations and we were on a path to being a nation of bean counters and service industry. It would be interesting to find out just where all those physicists and engineers now designing the Iranian nuclear program got their education. Did we give them the tools to cause us so much grief?...

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Old 04-10-12, 12:17 AM   #2
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Old 04-10-12, 07:32 AM   #3
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No mention of the Clinton administration eliminating the Noforn classification specifically so chinese scientists could access restricted aerospace tech at american facilites?

No mention of the Clinton administration lifting the ban on selling aerospace guidance tech to the chinese?

No, it had to be spies in our universities that enabled the chinese to successfully launch multiple stage rockets for obital insertion.

I guess we all tend to re-write history from our own perspective.
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Old 04-10-12, 08:32 AM   #4
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Had them over here in the UK for decades...most of them are British
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There is nothing to be surprised about
After all, isn't this the whole point of school?
A student comes, and learns knowledge. It isn't spying or anything, just learning.
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Old 04-10-12, 08:32 AM   #8
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So this what Vendor has been up too, posing as a student at some university.
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Old 04-10-12, 11:25 AM   #9
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Stanford does not, nor will it, restrict participation of students on the basis of citizenship,” President John Hennessy testified at a January 2010, congressional hearing in Palo Alto, California. More than half of Stanford’s doctoral candidates in the physical sciences and engineering come from outside the U.S., he said.
of course not. That would be cutting into their income. Higher education is a big business unto itself.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what secret information they are getting at schools? Is DoD releasing secret "NOFORN" information in library or something?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what secret information they are getting at schools? Is DoD releasing secret "NOFORN" information in library or something?
No. Chinese operatives, sorry "scientists" were given free access to formerly restricted aerospace tech at US government facilities and contractors.

My point being, chinese operatives getting information at our universities is a relatively minor nuisance and a natural result of our open society.

The greatest harm done in the vein of US/Sino aerospace tech transfer was perpetrated during/by the Clinton administration.
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Old 04-10-12, 01:46 PM   #12
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what secret information they are getting at schools? Is DoD releasing secret "NOFORN" information in library or something?
Plus there's corperate espionage. See semiconductor industry.
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