Legitimacy of an illegitimate regime

August · 03-07-12, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Kill all kinds of lobbyists then....
Kill all parliaments and Western governments, too....

I'm not killing anyone. How do you get that from what I said? Illegitimate power is tyranny. Simple. Whether you personally can live with a tyrant (in any sense of the word) or not is immaterial.

Tyranny needs acceptance to establish itself. When good people like yourself accept tyrants you encourage them to become more tyrannical.

Catfish · 03-07-12, 10:38 AM

I'd say Russia is appx. in the state of a gold rush, pretty much like the US was at the end of the 19th century, maybe until 1920. It will be THE economic power of the next decades.
In Russia there is no real foundation or buffer between head of the state and common man, this storey has to be slowly "colonized" or filled up by a real middle class. At the same time now in Russia the secret service is not able to control the people anymore, it just happens to be still one of the biggest employers. But it sure is Putin's last election, wait a few years and things will sort out.

On the other hand, if the US goes on with spending one trillion dollars for the F-35 alone, just to boast about "who has the longest .." providing an outer threat that keps people like Putin afloat, it may well be things develop differently. From overwhelming debts to the perception of the rest of the world

Penguin · 03-07-12, 11:31 AM

The problem I have with Sky's utopia, is that whatever form of system you have: when it's for and from the people (a key factor for me), folks will always form interest groups.
As much as we need a reboot, a fresh start, maybe a refreshing of the tree of liberty, as long as there are two people out there with the same interests, they will form alliances - call it lobbies, initiatives or parties. It's always the question how much influence you want to give to them - no question that our current system, which grants the most influence to the entities with the most bucks, is sick and corrupt.

AVGWarhawk · 03-07-12, 11:35 AM

I hear he voted himself in as sexiest man alive.

03-07-12, 10:38 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,796 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I'd say Russia is appx. in the state of a gold rush, pretty much like the US was at the end of the 19th century, maybe until 1920. It will be THE economic power of the next decades. In Russia there is no real foundation or buffer between head of the state and common man, this storey has to be slowly "colonized" or filled up by a real middle class. At the same time now in Russia the secret service is not able to control the people anymore, it just happens to be still one of the biggest employers. But it sure is Putin's last election, wait a few years and things will sort out. On the other hand, if the US goes on with spending one trillion dollars for the F-35 alone, just to boast about "who has the longest .." providing an outer threat that keps people like Putin afloat, it may well be things develop differently. From overwhelming debts to the perception of the rest of the world Last edited by Catfish; 03-08-12 at 07:53 AM.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,281 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I hear he voted himself in as sexiest man alive. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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03-07-12, 11:31 AM	#3
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	The problem I have with Sky's utopia, is that whatever form of system you have: when it's for and from the people (a key factor for me), folks will always form interest groups. As much as we need a reboot, a fresh start, maybe a refreshing of the tree of liberty, as long as there are two people out there with the same interests, they will form alliances - call it lobbies, initiatives or parties. It's always the question how much influence you want to give to them - no question that our current system, which grants the most influence to the entities with the most bucks, is sick and corrupt.