Man says that he cant make ends meet earning $350,000 a year.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How is it a strawman Mookie?

Lets take his money and burn it:

Originally Posted by STEED

Best thing is to burn his money right in front of him.

Then we can beat him:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Why don't we have whip round for him.....I'll throw in ten lashes.

And finally we can kill him by hanging!

Originally Posted by soopaman2

And people wonder why the paycheck to paycheck living, working poor want to string up douchebags like this.

All "solutions" proposed by members of this board because this guy is - as you called him - a "spoiled brat".

Sorry - no strawman here. I notice you can't answer the comparison between his being a brat - and governmental type workers who do the same thing... Why is that?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

How is it a strawman Mookie?

Lets take his money and burn it:



Then we can beat him:


And finally we can kill him by hanging!


All "solutions" proposed by members of this board because this guy is - as you called him - a "spoiled brat".

Sorry - no strawman here. I notice you can't answer the comparison between his being a brat - and governmental type workers who do the same thing... Why is that?

Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?

no mookie! don't you know nobody ever strawmans on here...

[tater]

He's not "rich."

350k in Manhattan is not rich, period. It's certainly not POOR, but it isn't rich. It's functionally the same as making about 150k in a mid sized city out in the flyover states where life is cheap. 150k in such a place is upper middle class, and in fact well within the reach of normal folks with 2 incomes. There are numerous kids in the private school my kids attend who have cops and firefighters for parents (and a bunch who have teachers in the public schools for parents (which should tell you something about the public schools here)).

The guys is (as I said) every bit the jerk. So are all the teachers in NJ... remember the sh*tstorm when Christy wanted to delay their raise because the average employee in the private sector in NJ had lost income, not gained it? He was pilloried.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by tater

He's not "rich."

but he sure acts like it, that's his whole problem.
350k may not be rich, but it is a lot.
That he whines he's running short because his spendings has gone out of hand well it's only himself to blame and for him to fix on his own by doing something regarding his spending.

Can't really feel sorry for the bloke and he does deserve a slap in the face to bring him back to reality.

HunterICX

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?

I didn't - in fact I noted that they were ideas put forth by multiple people and even sourced them. I was pointing out that your statement of he is a spoiled bra and thats the bottom line did nothing to castigate the idea that because of it, he should be "punished". Sure he is spoiled, sure he is assinine. We agree.

Seeing the call for theft, physical violence and murder against someone and not calling it out - but instead continuing to call the target names - even truthful ones - does nothing but promote attacks against others.

There was a holocaust that started that way - and I will stand against the same thing happening. Things like that start innocently - based on pure emotion - but either you stand against it, or you sit idly by while it happens. I will not do the latter.

Tater and I both asked you about how one situation is different than the other. You have demonstrated your views often enough for me to say you "lean" left - so you were challenged to not only seperate yourself from the calls for violence (like some in Occupy called for) but also to see if your convictions on what is "spoiled" or not is consistently applied.

So far - you have refused to answer either challenge.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

So far - you have refused to answer either challenge.

Because frankly, they're stupid and not deserving of a response. You're bringing the freaking holocaust into this? Good god, man, get some perspective. That's absolutely insane. I've seen you post some really out there stuff, but this one's a doozy.

I'm done talking to you on this. The guy's a whiny and entitled jackass. End of story. And end of my participation in this thread. I've said my piece.

[CaptainHaplo]

I see.... so while you can castigate this guy, you can't apply the same standards to others because they are more "acceptable" in their employment.

So people get a pass for supporting theft, assault and murder as long as you agree with their target.

So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race....

How is the question regarding governmental workers compared to private employees "stupid"?

Oh wait - you don't want a discussion - you want to take your ball and go home on this topic. Oh well.

So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race....

It is a very far cry indeed, the difference is so enormous it really is a gaping chasm of such magnitude that even the best yet most optimistic structural engineer would concede that the gap simply cannot be bridged.

For a narrower gap can I expect you to now call out people on the next occasion there is the frequently repeated calls for targetting people because of their race or ancestry?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I see.... so while you can castigate this guy, you can't apply the same standards to others because they are more "acceptable" in their employment.

There's no comparison. If you can't see the difference between people complaining because they're forced to drop things like healthcare coverage for their family with this retard who thinks driving a Porsche 911 is some form of sacrifice, then you're so far away from seeing the point that it's beyond my rhetorical ability to get you to do so.

So people get a pass for supporting theft, assault and murder as long as you agree with their target.

And again you insult me by assigning me other people's opinions. I never said any of that, I don't think the guy should be killed burned, flayed or what have you, and nor did I ever imply it. And I don't think any of the other posters do. If you can't tell the difference between hyperbole and reality it's due to pure ignorance, willful or otherwise, and it's a pointless waste of time to engage you on the topic. Grow up. Faux outrage is stupid.

So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race....

The fact that you still believe that people are knocking him for how much money he makes shows how far the point has flown over your head. You're so far in the dark on this that it's going to take a rescue effort with bloodhounds and helicopters to bring you into understanding. I have no time or inclination to break this down any simpler to get through to someone who wants to bring the holocaust into a discussion about how a spoiled rich man is crying he can't afford the three luxury cars he has. The holocaust. I still can't believe that one. Wow. That's rich.

How is the question regarding governmental workers compared to private employees "stupid"?

One is about folks like police and fire struggling to provide necessities of life to their families, the other is a scumbag who's clawing to maintain a luxury lifestyle he could never afford. The fact that you'd think that the two are remotely equivalent enough to bring it up just shows how ludicrous this discussion has become.

Oh wait - you don't want a discussion - you want to take your ball and go home on this topic. Oh well.

I only have discussions with people who can discuss like a rational adult and have an inkling of understanding of the discussion at hand. You apparently fail both tests.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

There's no comparison. If you can't see the difference between people complaining because they're forced to drop things like healthcare coverage for their family with this retard who thinks driving a Porsche 911 is some form of sacrifice, then you're so far away from seeing the point that it's beyond my rhetorical ability to get you to do so.

I see the difference. We agree he is spoiled.

And again you insult me by assigning me other people's opinions. I never said any of that,

I never said you said these things - I simply pointed out what the "leftists" on this board were saying and you never spoke out against it.... that is where the "holocaust" comment came in. I also didn't insult you....

I don't think the guy should be killed burned, flayed or what have you, and nor did I ever imply it.

Your right - you didn't. But because you are one of the few liberal voices on here that I have respect for, I was seriously hoping that you would step up and call out such comments. I even pointed them out - and you did nothing but continue to insult the target of the "hate" - never once stating that such vitriol being spewed at him was uncalled for.

And I don't think any of the other posters do. If you can't tell the difference between hyperbole and reality it's due to pure ignorance, willful or otherwise, and it's a pointless waste of time to engage you on the topic. Grow up. Faux outrage is stupid.

So hyperbole is ok when people talk about lynching someone, but its not ok when I use the same talking about drowning a kid because he is spoiled? Its a two way street - you felt my hyperbole was stupid - but apparently the exaggeration of lynching a "wall streeter" isn't? You still don't see a double standard here?

The fact that you still believe that people are knocking him for how much money he makes shows how far the point has flown over your head. You're so far in the dark on this that it's going to take a rescue effort with bloodhounds and helicopters to bring you into understanding. I have no time or inclination to break this down any simpler to get through to someone who wants to bring the holocaust into a discussion about how a spoiled rich man is crying he can't afford the three luxury cars he has. The holocaust. I still can't believe that one. Wow. That's rich.

No - nothing here is rich. What it is - is saddening. Your more concerned with berating an idiot who spends more than he makes, than taking a stand against those who are now talking openly of violence against people like him. It used to be that such things were not tolerated - now they are. When will you, and others on the left, speak out against this kind of stuff? Will it take a few people getting dragged out of office building and shot in the street by mobs first? Or will you - and others like you - reasonable and intelligent people, still stand idly by? Where do you draw the line? I drew mine here - even "joking" about it is too much. I would have liked to see you join me in that.

One is about folks like police and fire struggling to provide necessities of life to their families, the other is a scumbag who's clawing to maintain a luxury lifestyle he could never afford. The fact that you'd think that the two are remotely equivalent enough to bring it up just shows how ludicrous this discussion has become.

That was not what I asked. I asked you to compare those who you say are "struggling" - that also make more than people doing the same kinds of jobs in non-governmental roles. Why does a paper pusher at the county courthouse make 30% to 50% more than a paper pusher at most private companies, not have to pay into their retirement, not have to pay for their health insurance, and not have to worry if they will have a job tommorow - not be seen as "spoiled" when they scream that their raise wasn't "big enough" compared to the private industry worker doing the same type of job - who makes less and DOES have to pay into his/her own retirement, does have to pay for insurance - and does have to worry if they have a job next week, never mind thinking of a raise or a bonus...

Who in that scenario is "spoiled"? That was the question I asked, and instead of answering it - you have tried to make it about comparing governmental workers with the idiot in the article. Neither Tater nor I asked you about him - we simply asked about another, less fortunate group and you have shown you won't apply the same standards to the question.

I only have discussions with people who can discuss like a rational adult and have an inkling of understanding of the discussion at hand. You apparently fail both tests.

Perhaps it was miscommunication.... Perhaps it wasnt. I regret you felt that I "insulted you". I didn't call your position "stupid" as you did my question. We agree on the reality that this guy is an idiot, though I don't think calling him a "scumbag" is appropriate - his actions prove he lacks a modicum of common sense, but your verbage indicates he has done something heinous, illegal or immoral to get his "luxury lifestyle" - and nothing shows that. More populist rhetoric at work, or just an emotional reaction to his undeserved whining?