Can't seem to get upgraded to Gato, TMO2.5

[gAiNiAc]

Originally Posted by aanker

Historically the new GATO class boats first sailed out of Pearl/Midway and didn't patrol from Fremantle and other ports Asiatic until Dec 42/Jan 43.

I didn't look at any stock or modded SH4 flotilla's to see, but it seems like Ducimus (for example) tried to strike a balance leaning toward historical accuracy - with some leeway.

Pearl would be where I'd expect to get moved into a GATO class first.

Happy Hunting!

Art

Well, yeah, historically speaking the first Gato's were dispatched to Pearl.....

The problem (in 2.5 due to whatever reasons...."Terrible T" etc..) is that the Tambor class has upgrade precedence over all other types it seems. I was "upgraded" from a Gar to a Tambor.... that does not make sense at all when you consider that the Gar class was the later model.

If you look at the upgradeclass in the upc files for all the various boats you'll notice initially that the S boat's are 0 and all other early war fleet boats (Sargo, Salmon, Gar, Tambor) are upgradeclass 1 respectively. Gato is 2, Balao is 3, etc..

The implication is, other than from an S boat starting career, you shouldn't get an upgrade to anything other than a Gato at minimum dependent upon availability. Upgrades ought to progress from 0 to 1, to 2 then 3 depending upon class availability. It should be impossible to get upgraded from a 1 to a 1.

The Tambor being set to 5 probably throws the proverbial monkey wrench into the works....

[Tanedin]

If you open up the NSS_(class).cfg file and change "HumanPlayable" to no, I assume the game will not offer you an upgrade to that class, right?

[aanker]

GAR to a TAMBOR. The designer of SH4 said if you had a bad patrol you could get downgraded. Well, maybe he hinted that.

All SH4 cares about is Objectives. Complete them and SH4 is happy. It doesn't care about sinking Capital ships, only Objectives.

Can you pick up the phone and transfer to Pearl? There were so few TAMBOR and GAR class, maybe you triggered something to give you a new command and the dice came up TAMBOR.

By Objectives I'm not saying refit & refuel and go out again. Just complete yours and if you have enough torpedoes and fuel, radio in and get another Objective. Doing that you should progress up the classes etc.

Happy Hunting!

Art

[aanker]

Originally Posted by gAiNiAc

The Tambor being set to 5 probably throws the proverbial monkey wrench into the works....

Is that the TAMBOR or TENCH class that is 5?

I should download 2.5 and look. The game behaves the way I described.

Message above, after completing that one or two Objective patrol RTB. You knew that.... lol

[aanker]

I'm sorry.

Lastly, I would love to patrol in USS TUNA (SS-203) in the middle of the War, proud warrior that she is! :)

Happy Hunting!

Art

[gAiNiAc]

Originally Posted by aanker

GAR to a TAMBOR. The designer of SH4 said if you had a bad patrol you could get downgraded. Well, maybe he hinted that.

All SH4 cares about is Objectives.

No bad patrols........I know about the objectives........tonnage & types does impact renown though.

Originally Posted by aanker

Is that the TAMBOR or TENCH class that is 5?

I should download 2.5 and look. The game behaves the way I described.

Message above, after completing that one or two Objective patrol RTB. You knew that.... lol

I said Tambor...

[aanker]

tonnage & types does impact renown though.

Technically speaking, yes :)

Downloading . . . . . luckily I have his other versions he refers to.

There is a campaign I usually like to put on top which includes all Special Missions conducted, (doesn't call the stock or other modded missions) different Objectives, forward bases, and different/more start dates, so installing without that will be different.

Looks like he was thinking a typo in the upc's.

Also going to look at the manual "nobody reads"... lol

[gAiNiAc]

Originally Posted by aanker

Also going to look at the manual "nobody reads"... lol

It's an excellent manual; i've read it a few times . End to end this is one helluva polished mod......

[aanker]

Almost have it, according to what Ducimus said, I need some Captain Morgan to catch up ( just kidding ) .. actually need about 2 hrs and should be right back with it.

[aanker]

Lets see if this works:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...=3506&act=down

If it doesn't we can delete it.

TMO_25_fix_attempt, "1_TMO_25_small_patch.rar" (25.9 KB)

Test fix, I followed Ducimus recollection, modified two 2.5 Submarines with 2.2 patch data, and dragged Flotillas from 2.2.
As he mentioned Career Start, I got that from 2.0 because it wasn't in 2.2.

Hopefully it works. Install it on top of TMO 2.5.

Ducimus has not endorsed me, I'm just trying to help a burnt out old nice guy modder, Mr Ducimus.

Happy Hunting!

Art

Ducimus wrote:

Anyway in the interm, to fix this problem, you'll have to look at the submarine UPC files of the last version of TMO, in specific the upgradeclass variable. It should be near the top section of the file. Edit this to the last version of TMO,

and then take the careerstart.upc file,

and the flotilla.upc file as well.

They're located i belelive, data/upcdata/upccampaign or something like that.

Should be a straight drag and drop. This will pretty much be what the patch will look like, if you want to go ahead and fix the problem yourself. I will patch it, though i cannot say when. I have very little desire to look at the game, other then to save face from my collossoal screw up, and i don't have any of the previous files backed up on my new computer. So if i can't grab the old files, ill have to fix things the hard way.

The above is going by memory mind you, i'm slightly buzzed right now from captain morgan rum. Anyway, the only way to salvage the concept behind the terrible T campaign, is basically to disable and remove every freaking sub from play EXCEPT the one boat you want to play the entire war. Kinda sucks, but there it is.