A Bunch of Young Lawyers are Suing Their Law Schools Because They Don't Have Jobs

[Stealhead]

That does not make any sense you are assuming that they chose the school based on that reason even though it does not say anywhere that they did.More than likely they made their chose based on numerous factors.I find it a little hard to believe that you did not take such statics into consideration who is going to attended a law school that has few alumni practicing law?

What was your determining factor then which school had the highest prestige that you could get into? Which prestige still largely reflects to some extent alumni having good jobs at least some of them.

Every educational institution to some extent whats you to feel as though you will get a job because you attended that is the whole idea of post secondary education in the first place.

I'd be careful about being so smug Bubblehead you are not even finished with law school yet you might have as hard a time finding a job as a lawyer as they are.You may not
file a lawsuit against your school but you still are going to enter a highly competitive and saturated field you are about to enter an ocean loaded with fish.

While I want to have sympathy, that is what they get for selecting a Law School based on the wrong criteria, I barely considered those type of statistics when I selected which school to attend.

Yet according to yourself you chose a law school where all the staff don't know anything about law, havn't done anything in the legal business world and are only doing political indocrination of the students who as it happens are all brainless.
So what exactly was your criteria in choosing the school?

[Stealhead]

That is true I forgot about his previous complaints about how "leftie-pinko-commie" all the professors are.He will probably sue his school for having a leftie-commie agenda.

A more realistic person when taking into consideration the current job market in general would be wise when seeking higher education to have the goal of making themselves as marketable as possible in numerous fields and be willing when young and inexperienced to take lower paying jobs.My mother majored in the Arts but she only held a job as an art teacher for 2 years the rest of her 35 year teaching career she was an English teacher.

[Takeda Shingen]

Breaking silence to offer a word of advice to those of you seeking higher education:

In the wake of the 'For-Profit' (a strange term, but the accepted one) explosion, you need to look at your schools before deciding on moving forward. In that vein the single most important question, and one that has not been touched upon at all in this thread, is not employment statistics for graduates but rather accreditation. That is, not that the school is accredited (most of them will be), but the type of accreditation. Generally, there are two types--national and regional.

Essentially, Regional Accreditation indicates that the institution is a traditional 'Non-profit' (also a strange, yet accepted term) academically-oriented school. There are six Regional Accredidation organizations that such a school will be accredited by:

Middle State Association of Colleges and Schools (I am employed by a university accredited by Middle States)
New England Association of Schools and Colleges
North Central Association of Colleges and Schools
Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools
Western Association of Schools and Colleges

National Accreditation is granted by a variety of agencies that were designed to oversee the content of varying types of institutions such as trade schools that were mentioned earlier in the thread. If the name of the accrediting organization is different than the six I mentioned above, the school is nationally accredited. National Accreditation is a legitimate accreditation, albeit considered less prestigious as it is linked to non-academic institutions. While those institutions are legitimate, it should be noted that many 'fly-by-night' schools typically use National Accreditation as well, as the requirements are a bit lighter.

Whatever school you choose, you need to do homework. You can make your job easier by looking at the type of accreditation. If you are going for an academic degree (medicine, law, education, history, music, art, literature, political science, biology, physics, etc) you want a school that is Regionally Accredited. If you see a college offering degrees in those areas that is Nationally Accredited, that is likely a less-than-reputable institution, and a good school to avoid.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That is true I forgot about his previous complaints about how "leftie-pinko-commie" all the professors are.He will probably sue his school for having a leftie-commie agenda.

A more realistic person when taking into consideration the current job market in general would be wise when seeking higher education to have the goal of making themselves as marketable as possible in numerous fields and be willing when young and inexperienced to take lower paying jobs.My mother majored in the Arts but she only held a job as an art teacher for 2 years the rest of her 35 year teaching career she was an English teacher.

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

Do you have documented proof of their involvement with Communist parties? It would shatter our society as a whole.

God forbid.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Do you have documented proof of their involvement with Communist parties? It would shatter our society as a whole.

God forbid.

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

[nikimcbee]

@ bubblehead, what kind of law are you looking to get into?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

Heh. I can remember a couple of instructors who let on about their political leanings, but neither of them ever pushed it on us. Most people I know don't really talk much about where they stand anyway, and even if they did I probably wouldn't notice or care. To each his own, and God help us all this election year -- methinks the outlook is pretty grim right now.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

Not all actively push their agenda, but you can see the slant in their teaching.Then again, there are some(but few) who try to stay neutral.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

Fair enough but it sure seemed like you where speaking about your current professors not your past ones the language in that Obama impeaching thread seemed to be applying your past and current experience.I am not so sure that you can say that a person is a true communist unless they actually say so from their mouth that they are.In my experience I have only met some Italians in Italy that where actually members of the Italian Communist party and that party is much more local and regional.Perhaps you have had professors that had a very liberal leaning which is all together quite different from a full blown communist.But that seems to be your world view and I would argue that both sides left and right spend a lot of time in various manners to promote their views to the masses so to speak so with that in mind it is not a bad idea to take anything you hear or see with a grain of salt keeping in mind that someone is putting their point of view on it everyone has an agenda.The notion any person a certain degree or for to the left is a pinko-commie is an overstatement I would consider it equally unfair to say that a certain degree right leaning person is a Fascist and some left learners do make this claim both sides do this to scare tactic which is poor behavior and serves only to divide people.

I was not trying to show you ill will about getting a good job though but you did come across as a little smug with your sympathy comment some of those Brooklyn Law school grads may well have also worked with law firms and made connections.Interning is not a guarantee of employment in the future necessarily.

I know one of my young cousins she started working at a law firm as a part time job in high school and got interested in paralegal work she interned and worked part time for a few different firms and it still took her almost 2 years to find employment as a paralegal.Granted a paralegal is not a lawyer but I think that the 1-2 year job search is easily the standard unless you are working in a low skills required job.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Fair enough but it sure seemed like you where speaking about your current professors not your past ones the language in that Obama impeaching thread seemed to be applying your past and current experience.I am not so sure that you can say that a person is a true communist unless they actually say so from their mouth that they are.In my experience I have only met some Italians in Italy that where actually members of the Italian Communist party and that party is much more local and regional.Perhaps you have had professors that had a very liberal leaning which is all together quite different from a full blown communist.But that seems to be your world view and I would argue that both sides left and right spend a lot of time in various manners to promote their views to the masses so to speak so with that in mind it is not a bad idea to take anything you hear or see with a grain of salt keeping in mind that someone is putting their point of view on it everyone has an agenda.The notion any person a certain degree or for to the left is a pinko-commie is an overstatement I would consider it equally unfair to say that a certain degree right leaning person is a Fascist and some left learners do make this claim both sides do this to scare tactic which is poor behavior and serves only to divide people.

I was not trying to show you ill will about getting a good job though but you did come across as a little smug with your sympathy comment some of those Brooklyn Law school grads may well have also worked with law firms and made connections.Interning is not a guarantee of employment in the future necessarily.

I know one of my young cousins she started working at a law firm as a part time job in high school and got interested in paralegal work she interned and worked part time for a few different firms and it still took her almost 2 years to find employment as a paralegal.Granted a paralegal is not a lawyer but I think that the 1-2 year job search is easily the standard unless you are working in a low skills required job.

Well smug or not, I have no sympathy because it sounds like people blaming an institution for their employment woes in lieu of taking personal responsibility.Like I said, I do not expect a top notch job upon graduation despite having worked at or where I obtained my JD and employment statistics played a negligible role in my selection.

Well I had one Professor in undergrad admit he is a communist, most will not but they sound like commies.I despise left wing "thinking", it is a cancer on our society as is the far right religious nuts.People have the right to their beliefs, even though they are incorrect and have been proven so time and time again, but I have the right to point out how wrong they are and to mock, ridicule etc if I so choose.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I have the right to point out how wrong they are and to mock, ridicule etc if I so choose.

Yeah that's just what the world needs, a smart mouth lawyer who makes enemies of people he hasn't even met.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet according to yourself you chose a law school where all the staff don't know anything about law, havn't done anything in the legal business world and are only doing political indocrination of the students who as it happens are all brainless.
So what exactly was your criteria in choosing the school?

Seems that you will write anything in an attempt to discount me, must be personal for you, grow up scooter.Taking my comments about academia in general being left leaning(which is an undeniable fact) and trying to equate them with me saying all my professors, fellow students etc are brainless, well it is just a bit much.

indocrination?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That does not make any sense you are assuming that they chose the school based on that reason even though it does not say anywhere that they did.More than likely they made their chose based on numerous factors.I find it a little hard to believe that you did not take such statics into consideration who is going to attended a law school that has few alumni practicing law?

What was your determining factor then which school had the highest prestige that you could get into? Which prestige still largely reflects to some extent alumni having good jobs at least some of them.

Every educational institution to some extent whats you to feel as though you will get a job because you attended that is the whole idea of post secondary education in the first place.

I'd be careful about being so smug Bubblehead you are not even finished with law school yet you might have as hard a time finding a job as a lawyer as they are.You may not
file a lawsuit against your school but you still are going to enter a highly competitive and saturated field you are about to enter an ocean loaded with fish.

I selected the best school I was accepted to, just so happened to be where I wanted to go anyway . I define best as how tough it is to be admitted, namely one's GPA/LSAT in addition to the school's reputation etc Did I look at the post grad employment statistics etc? sure, did I count them as a major factor? absolutely not. I am well aware that having a JD from a great school does not always equate into a great position right out the door.I worked at a law firm for about a year before law school, learned a lot, to say the least.