[Rel] IJN Furutaka for Sea Trials

peabody · 02-10-12, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBear

5. Deckgun. if it can fit "Main battery" <--- deffently recembles a warship better

More crew. Would be awsome, but only if you have the spare time. In my original plan was two crew members for each main gun..

6. Rank and names. Here i have a problem. I know eher i got the japanese crew names from (Keltos1 sub mod) but the ranks i dont recollect. Im pretty sure they came with the ship. When i get to my laptop i can answer that one, but im sure it was names by file, ranks build into ship

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Been looking abit more into the firecontrol UZO, can deffently make it work, only problem is how to lock without shoot with guns....

Next darn problem is to locate that torpedo fire control in the files. I can find the yank one...but not the German one....have template ready...i can atleast change the gfx of it before relocating buttons (that will be a pain timewise)

So far everything concerning the ship look doable, with your help, the pointers i get from others are making this alot easyer. I never even had the hope you would "join" in on the fun....its just awsome...

NOTE!

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Also, if you decide set it up properly the Furutaka had 8 torpedo tubes, two groups of 4 torpedoes each. This was standard on many ships, the torpedoes tubes were in groups of 4. I only did two as a test.

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The above i looked at for another project some time ago. My idea (never realy got to it) was to use AFT tubes, flip them 180 relocate them to the fron and add them as second group. That way you could have two groups of 4 with two controls. Limitation was that you could obly fire salvo of 4 not salvo of 8....dont think i have any file leftovers on that one...but that was my idea on how to do it....

Beer and mod time...cheers

TBear

Main battery sounds better, more men is good.

Ranks and name are not in the ship MOD. I do have the necessary files, the same ones as Keltos has (make by Takao, not the ship a member of this forum, but I have not seen him in a while.)

I created 2 extra tubes in the Menu1024_768.ini, the German boats only had 6. USA subs had more.

I deleted the Fat and Lut buttons, but the Type 93 Long Lance is not one of them so that part does not affect the ship.

You may find what you need for torpedos in the Menu1024_768 in section [G3B I156] possibly, just looked quickly.

Peabody

TBear · 02-10-12, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peabody

Main battery sounds better, more men is good.

Ranks and name are not in the ship MOD. I do have the necessary files, the same ones as Keltos has (make by Takao, not the ship a member of this forum, but I have not seen him in a while.)

I created 2 extra tubes in the Menu1024_768.ini, the German boats only had 6. USA subs had more.

Im pretty sure that one of peabodys subs have 8 forward tubes, hes subs also have German origin.....

I deleted the Fat and Lut buttons, but the Type 93 Long Lance is not one of them so that part does not affect the ship.

You may find what you need for torpedos in the Menu1024_768 in section [G3B I156] possibly, just looked quickly.

Yupz, deffently usefull information and files there.

Peabody

But now i have the test beds ready

one silent hunter IV 1.5 stock

one silent hunter IV 1.5 Keltos1 japanese sub mod

one silent hunter IV 1.5 TMO 2.5 for sea trials with ship in workshop

one silent hunter IV 1.5 with my reworked campaign files with ship in workshop

Holy beer and chips.....so many files....soooo many folders......

I have contactet DRJones and he send me towards dicimius for abit help regarding the UZO--- > firecontrol thing.

In all a good days work

and talk to ya soon again

LTbear

Admiral Von Gerlach · 02-10-12, 09:17 PM

Japanese Officer Naval Ranks WWII

Commissioned officer ranks

All-forces ranks

IJN Insignia

Admiral
Kaigun Taish

Vice Admiral Kaigun Chujo

*

Rear Admiral Kaigun Shosho

Captain ; Kaigun Daisa

Commander Kaigun Chusa

Lieutenant Commander Kaigun Shosa

Lieutenant Kaigun Daii

Sub Lieutenant Lieutenant Junior Grade Kaigun Chui

Enlisted Ranks (there was a reorganization after 1942
all ranks below are given in two figures:
Before 1942
After 1942
Non-commissioned officers *(Kashikan) - selected from conscripts and given one year of training in the Navy NCO Academy.

Petty Officer First Class Ittoheiso
Chief Petty Officer Jotoheiso

Petty Officer Second Class Nitoheiso
Petty Officer First Class Ittoheiso

Petty Officer Third Class Santoheiso
Petty Officer Second Class Nitoheiso

Enlisted/seamen

Sailor First Class Ittosuihei
Leading Seaman Suiheich***333;

Sailor Second Class Nitosuihei
Able Seaman Jotosuihei

Sailor Third Class Santosuihei
Seaman Ittosuihei

Sailor Fourth Class Yontosuihei
Seaman Recruit Nitosuihei

there were also Cadet and Warrant Officer Ranks:

Midshipman: Kaigun Shoi Kohosei

Warrant Officer Kaigun Jun-i

Remarkable progress with the ships, very good to see. Yes they used Quad Tube mounts for Torpedoes on Surface ships standard, their doctrine was to have overwhelming numbers of fish available on demand, rather than the more limited torpedo attack scale of the RN and USN, the USN really did not like TT in surfave ship engagments and it was a stunning surprise to them when the IJN TT doctrine tore the pants off of some USN units and engagments.

Re getting the DD to attack a fleet, why not station a sub UNDER the fleet and have it travel that way as a "lure" for attacks, it would have the mission to shadow the fleet and would not need to engage?

I finished a project successfully for my work this week, and now have time to catch up. Marvelous progress Peabody and please e mail me or PM with any questions or discussoin to support your remarkable work here.

It is true as you said, OJN doctrine was to engage surface elements, they considered attacking supply lines below the dignity of the service and not the Samurai way, not until late in the war was there a sizable support for such but by then it was too late. IJN subs were allowed to attack convoys if they came across them AFTER they had accomplished primary mission, however the slow surface and dive time of many of the classes of IJN subs made it a risky business (this was due to the need to change drive train, from one format to another, poor design but they tried all along in development of the IJN fleet to engineer and design as much as possible using native..ie Home Island resources, and know how.)

Bravo i say to all of the great work from everyone helping with the testing and ideas.

Sadly the forum format does not allow for correct phonetic marks for Japanese language, i can give anyone who needs them correct the link for the proper names.

peabody · 02-10-12, 10:31 PM

As always thank you very much Admiral. Like I have commented before to all, Admiral has given me tons of info. Appreciate every bit of it.

I noticed in the ranks Takao gave us you started as a Chu-i. In yours it lists a "Kaigun Chui" , then I realized the Kaigun part stands for Navy. Some of the other ranks are the same and some are not.I think he was trying to match up with the German ranks and sometimes there wasn't a match.

As for the submarine idea, I tried it with a US sub I made and it didn't work, but only a simple one mission test since I didn't have time for more. The problem to solve is that if you use a normal sub from the game, it does NOTHING. It won't move. To make it move you need to make it a ship which they will not attack. The ships will shoot at ships that are close enough, but will not leave the escort position to attack (and DC) like they do with a nearby player sub.
So what is a bit ironic is the US DDs will attack the IJN surface ships because they need to be converted to subs to make them playable. But the IJN DDs won't attack the US sub because to make them AI they are converted to ships. Catch 22.
I did leave the unit type to 200 which is a sub, but it still didn't work.

Now I have read about a sub that submerges when attacked, but I haven't seen it so I don't know how that was done. On mine since it is a ship if it submerges it is basically a sinking ship and it stops moving. The way around that for me was to make a submerged sub by moving the center point of the ship. That made the game think it was still surfaced, but that created another problem if there was more than one DD attacking, they would shoot at it with guns, and since there was nothing to hit (the sub is submerged) they usually ended up shooting each other.

So maybe with a little thinking I may get an idea, but I am also trying to find time to put the IJN Campaign together. It has taken forever and now it is frustrating, there is so much I do not know about modding this game. And I am now working it alone. That is why I have given my partially done ships to Tbear, at least it is a start. Maybe he can complete something.

Thank you once again.

TBear · 02-11-12, 02:42 AM

So maybe with a little thinking I may get an idea, but I am also trying to find time to put the IJN Campaign together. It has taken forever and now it is frustrating, there is so much I do not know about modding this game. And I am now working it alone. That is why I have given my partially done ships to Tbear, at least it is a start. Maybe he can complete something.

I will deffently do my best And remember everything takes time. Im a dad with 3 kids in the range 8 to 1 year and have full time job so i have trouble finding time my self.

In general i deffently have hope for the surface ships. Most of this is graphical changes, and since someone else have done the work its a matter if tweaking and implementing. Im the lucky one. I came as one of the last one to this and therefore i have everything as a huge puzzle and just have to assamble it. The true "heros" are those who did the pieces over the years.

I just have had a feelling of sadness to se so much work end up in the mod heaven because game are getting old and modders have stopped modding. So much is yet to be made, and atleast i stil have the drive and the love for SH IV to keep working on it.

TBear

peabody · 02-11-12, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBear

I will deffently do my best And remember everything takes time. Im a dad with 3 kids in the range 8 to 1 year and have full time job so i have trouble finding time my self.

Trust me Tbear, I know family comes first, I also have 3 kids, but also 4 grandchildren.

Finally after years of asking with no answers a solution came to me!!! I tried it and it worked.
Now you do not need a flashlight on the bridge. It was all there, just could not see it.

Now I can do the Takao.
One more piece of the pie.

Peabody

Admiral Von Gerlach · 02-11-12, 02:52 PM

Please keep going as you can Peabody and thanks TBear for the hand with the ships. That is wonderful about the Bridge, the officers serviing aboard will be very pleased to be able to see each other as they achieve victory after vicotry over the Gaijin Demons! Banzai!

i will keep thinking about the attack problem there is a answer i am sure, I will ask a few of the old hands about that too, if we keep trudging along, with you in front at the helm i am confident the Campaign will achieve Launch. Every step brings it closer. Think what the real IJN went thru during the war and they never gave up. Lets do our best too.

And always always do what you need to in RL, that comes first.

02-10-12, 09:17 PM	#3
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	Japanese Officer Naval Ranks WWII Commissioned officer ranks All-forces ranks IJN Insignia Admiral Kaigun Taish Vice Admiral Kaigun Chujo * Rear Admiral Kaigun Shosho Captain ; Kaigun Daisa Commander Kaigun Chusa Lieutenant Commander Kaigun Shosa Lieutenant Kaigun Daii Sub Lieutenant Lieutenant Junior Grade Kaigun Chui Enlisted Ranks (there was a reorganization after 1942 all ranks below are given in two figures: Before 1942 After 1942 Non-commissioned officers (Kashikan) - selected from conscripts and given one year of training in the Navy NCO Academy. Petty Officer First Class Ittoheiso* Chief Petty Officer Jotoheiso Petty Officer Second Class Nitoheiso Petty Officer First Class Ittoheiso Petty Officer Third Class Santoheiso Petty Officer Second Class Nitoheiso Enlisted/seamen Sailor First Class Ittosuihei Leading Seaman Suiheich*333; Sailor Second Class Nitosuihei Able Seaman Jotosuihei Sailor Third Class Santosuihei Seaman Ittosuihei Sailor Fourth Class Yontosuihei Seaman Recruit Nitosuihei there were also Cadet and Warrant Officer Ranks: Midshipman: Kaigun Shoi Kohosei Warrant Officer Kaigun Jun-i Remarkable progress with the ships, very good to see. Yes they used Quad Tube mounts for Torpedoes on Surface ships standard, their doctrine was to have overwhelming numbers of fish available on demand, rather than the more limited torpedo attack scale of the RN and USN, the USN really did not like TT in surfave ship engagments and it was a stunning surprise to them when the IJN TT doctrine tore the pants off of some USN units and engagments. Re getting the DD to attack a fleet, why not station a sub UNDER the fleet and have it travel that way as a "lure" for attacks, it would have the mission to shadow the fleet and would not need to engage? I finished a project successfully for my work this week, and now have time to catch up. Marvelous progress Peabody and please e mail me or PM with any questions or discussoin to support your remarkable work here. It is true as you said, OJN doctrine was to engage surface elements, they considered attacking supply lines below the dignity of the service and not the Samurai way, not until late in the war was there a sizable support for such but by then it was too late. IJN subs were allowed to attack convoys if they came across them AFTER they had accomplished primary mission, however the slow surface and dive time of many of the classes of IJN subs made it a risky business (this was due to the need to change drive train, from one format to another, poor design but they tried all along in development of the IJN fleet to engineer and design as much as possible using native..ie Home Island resources, and know how.) Bravo i say to all of the great work from everyone helping with the testing and ideas. Sadly the forum format does not allow for correct phonetic marks for Japanese language, i can give anyone who needs them correct the link for the proper names. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen. Last edited by Admiral Von Gerlach; 02-10-12 at 09:54 PM.

02-10-12, 10:31 PM	#4
peabody Admiral Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York State, USA Posts: 2,390 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 7	As always thank you very much Admiral. Like I have commented before to all, Admiral has given me tons of info. Appreciate every bit of it. I noticed in the ranks Takao gave us you started as a Chu-i. In yours it lists a "Kaigun Chui" , then I realized the Kaigun part stands for Navy. Some of the other ranks are the same and some are not.I think he was trying to match up with the German ranks and sometimes there wasn't a match. As for the submarine idea, I tried it with a US sub I made and it didn't work, but only a simple one mission test since I didn't have time for more. The problem to solve is that if you use a normal sub from the game, it does NOTHING. It won't move. To make it move you need to make it a ship which they will not attack. The ships will shoot at ships that are close enough, but will not leave the escort position to attack (and DC) like they do with a nearby player sub. So what is a bit ironic is the US DDs will attack the IJN surface ships because they need to be converted to subs to make them playable. But the IJN DDs won't attack the US sub because to make them AI they are converted to ships. Catch 22. I did leave the unit type to 200 which is a sub, but it still didn't work. Now I have read about a sub that submerges when attacked, but I haven't seen it so I don't know how that was done. On mine since it is a ship if it submerges it is basically a sinking ship and it stops moving. The way around that for me was to make a submerged sub by moving the center point of the ship. That made the game think it was still surfaced, but that created another problem if there was more than one DD attacking, they would shoot at it with guns, and since there was nothing to hit (the sub is submerged) they usually ended up shooting each other. So maybe with a little thinking I may get an idea, but I am also trying to find time to put the IJN Campaign together. It has taken forever and now it is frustrating, there is so much I do not know about modding this game. And I am now working it alone. That is why I have given my partially done ships to Tbear, at least it is a start. Maybe he can complete something. Thank you once again. __________________ System Spec: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, PentiumD Dual Core Presler 945 3.4Ghz, Gigabyte Geforce 7600GS, 2-1GB Corsair XMS2 800Mhz in Dual Channel, 2-WD 250 SATA 3Gb/s, Onboard Realtek HD 7.1 Audio, DVD ROM, DVD burner, Hiper 580 Watt Power supply, WinXP SP2.

02-11-12, 02:42 AM	#5
TBear Medic Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 160 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	So maybe with a little thinking I may get an idea, but I am also trying to find time to put the IJN Campaign together. It has taken forever and now it is frustrating, there is so much I do not know about modding this game. And I am now working it alone. That is why I have given my partially done ships to Tbear, at least it is a start. Maybe he can complete something. I will deffently do my best And remember everything takes time. Im a dad with 3 kids in the range 8 to 1 year and have full time job so i have trouble finding time my self. In general i deffently have hope for the surface ships. Most of this is graphical changes, and since someone else have done the work its a matter if tweaking and implementing. Im the lucky one. I came as one of the last one to this and therefore i have everything as a huge puzzle and just have to assamble it. The true "heros" are those who did the pieces over the years. I just have had a feelling of sadness to se so much work end up in the mod heaven because game are getting old and modders have stopped modding. So much is yet to be made, and atleast i stil have the drive and the love for SH IV to keep working on it. TBear __________________ *IJN rules, but peabody makes it float!* *"TAKAO" Status: work in progress*

02-11-12, 02:52 PM	#7
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	Please keep going as you can Peabody and thanks TBear for the hand with the ships. That is wonderful about the Bridge, the officers serviing aboard will be very pleased to be able to see each other as they achieve victory after vicotry over the Gaijin Demons! Banzai! i will keep thinking about the attack problem there is a answer i am sure, I will ask a few of the old hands about that too, if we keep trudging along, with you in front at the helm i am confident the Campaign will achieve Launch. Every step brings it closer. Think what the real IJN went thru during the war and they never gave up. Lets do our best too. And always always do what you need to in RL, that comes first. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

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