Obama's impeachable Offenses(link)

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by misha1967

Come to think of it: Wasn't that horrible violation of privacy rights, the Patriot Act, renewed three times by Obama?

And how come that drone strikes etc. are suddenly a-OK now that it's not an evil Republican doing them?

What's the word I'm looking for? Begins with an "H"... Hmm... Still working on it. Rhymes with "leprosy"...

Ah yes, I've got it: Hypocrisy!

Your point? Maybe if a repub strong congress didn't fillibuster anything that would help the people in order to make the nigg, I uhh mean Barry Soetoro, Err Obama into a one term president, as admitted, we would be in a better place today.

But because partisan politics, and pledges to Grover Norquist are more important than the people, and what is best to the country, I suppose us normal folks have to take the abuse.

You ask as if I like my current president. He is simply better than the other options.


I'm still waiting for the "for the people, by the people part"

So you think me contradictory, because I like the black kenyan in office.

Better than the options sir.

Hypocrite? (does not rhyme with leprosy, kinda a stretch) No, I simply want our rights back, that we bent over and gave them out of fear after 9-11.

Crap like this, the extensions as you mentioned is what makes me believe we are similar to fascist Italy at this point.

But conservatives like the status quo, see my sig on my opinions of how well the status quo works.

Feed the corps, starves the proles. The true southern conservative way.

To think we once freed the slaves, now our government works to make all of slaves to it super PAC benfactors, thanks citizens United decision, a conservative supreme court ruling...

And you wonder why people are forced to democrats?

Give us a viable non partisan choice. No anti tax pledges to Grover Norquist. No backroom dealings with George Soros. For the freaking people, by the people.

or else....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ***8212; That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ***8212; That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ***8212; Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

It is our right to change it, regardless of anti protesting laws they may pass. These rights were given to us by our founders, who saw us as free men, not corporate puppets.

So tell us why you hate Obama? I already blew any socialist arguments out the water, it is well established he is as fascist as any (R)...

Sooooo.

[AVGWarhawk]

You ask as if I like my current president. He is simply better than the other options.

No sir..he is about the same as the other options.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No sir..he is about the same as the other options.

I have no counterpoint to offer, nor will I.

As leftist as I come across, I have voted republican more times in my adult life.

My defense of the spinless one is not partisanship, but a fear of the far right winger choices.

Mc Cain was so moderate, why did Palin have to mess it up for him? Why? Why? Why?

I was a McCain (warhero centrist republican) shoe in until Palin came around. She makes Joe Biden look like FDR.

[vienna]

And how come that drone strikes etc. are suddenly a-OK now that it's not an evil Republican doing them?

Possibly because the strikes done now seem to obliterate higher value targets (Al Queda leadership. Taliban leaders, etc) than when the previous administration launched their strikes; to paraphrase Voltaire, "Sucess is the best deodorant"...

[vienna]

Mc Cain was so moderate, why did Palin have to mess it up for him? Why? Why? Why?

I was a McCain (warhero centrist republican) shoe in until Palin came around. She makes Joe Biden look like FDR.

Amen to that!...

I have a rather cynical acquaintance who has this theory: the GOP leadership knew just how badly the Bush administration had screwed up the economy and they knew the worst was yet to come as a result of those failures after Bush left office; not wanting a GOP member in the White House when the Bandini hit the fan, they put a "poison pill" in the 2008 campaign in the form of Palin. Therefore, a Dem presides over the maelstrom of economic failure, the GOP gets a "free kick" in the form of having a Dem to kick around with minimal blame on themselves, and then the GOP can take back the White House just as they economy begins to come around, taking credit for the "rescue of" the economy...

I don't think this was a GOP master plan, because I don't think the GOP leadership is that smart (as evidenced by the "sterling" candidates they are fielding, so far), but, I must admit, if the idea didn't sound like something out of a political novel, it would rate some consideration...

[soopaman2]

I like the drone strikes.

It don't cost me a plane ticket to DC to attend family members funerals.

Ceremonies at Arlington are beautiful, but twice as sad for some reason...

Maybe because you know they died for rich people, and Cheneys little mercenary company.

But I am just a pinko commie pig right?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I like the drone strikes.

It don't cost me a plane ticket to DC to attend family members funerals.

Ceremonies at Arlington are beautiful, but twice as sad for some reason...

Maybe because you know they died for rich people, and Cheneys little mercenary company.

But I am just a pinko commie pig right?

soopa, I've noticed you always talk about rich people.Quit hating people just because they have money...

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by vienna

Amen to that!...

I have a rather cynical acquaintance who has this theory: the GOP leadership knew just how badly the Bush administration had screwed up the economy and they new the worst was yet to come as a result of those failures after Bush left office; not wanting a GOP member in the White House when the Bandini hit the fan, they put a "poison pill" in the 2008 campaign in the form of Palin. Therefore, a Dem presides over the maelstrom of economic failure, the GOP gets a "free kick" in the form of having a Dem to kick around with minimal blame on themselves, and then the GOP can take back the White House just as they economy begins to come around, taking credit for the "rescue of" the economy...

I don't think this was a GOP master plan, because I don't think the GOP leadership is that smart (as evidenced by the "sterling" candidates they are fielding, so far), but, I must admit, if the idea didn't sound like something out of a political novel, it would rate some consideration...

Pardon my back to back posts, but I type slow and caught this late.

But YES!

They were simply setting themselves up for 2012, and were willing to drive the country into the toilet to meet those goals.

Obama is going to win by default. Not because he is good, but because is is less harmful to the majority than the other options. Good job Repubs, no one else to blame but your extremism.

The man who says little, has more credibility than the man who says too much....Add that to the damn proverb thread, Soopaman2 said it, quote me..

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

Amen to that!...

I have a rather cynical acquaintance who has this theory: the GOP leadership knew just how badly the Bush administration had screwed up the economy and they new the worst was yet to come as a result of those failures after Bush left office; not wanting a GOP member in the White House when the Bandini hit the fan, they put a "poison pill" in the 2008 campaign in the form of Palin. Therefore, a Dem presides over the maelstrom of economic failure, the GOP gets a "free kick" in the form of having a Dem to kick around with minimal blame on themselves, and then the GOP can take back the White House just as they economy begins to come around, taking credit for the "rescue of" the economy...

I don't think this was a GOP master plan, because I don't think the GOP leadership is that smart (as evidenced by the "sterling" candidates they are fielding, so far), but, I must admit, if the idea didn't sound like something out of a political novel, it would rate some consideration...

Plausible theory actually...

Left wingers hate me, esp when they get owned in class

By "owned" do you mean when you do a little bubblerant and they don't reply?
Sorry to break it to ya but if you look they are probably not replying because they are either trying not to laugh too much or realised that you are a waste of time since you are blinded by ideology.

Take a step back bubbles, when you say that all the students are dumb and cannot debate your "points" or string together a coherent sentence in response does it not even enter your mind that it is you that is the one....?

A well known fact is that academia is dominated by lefties

Yes bubbles
Can you find a thing called a dictionary and look up the word "fact".
Look up the word "left" too in a political context and find the definition where it is put as "anything that is not a fruitloop wingnut conspiracy theorist"

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No sir..he is about the same as the other options.

That's about right. American politics is a revolving door of failed ideology that is very good at kicking out anyone who offers any tangible change.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Your point? Maybe if a repub strong congress didn't fillibuster anything that would help the people in order to make the nigg, I uhh mean Barry Soetoro, Err Obama into a one term president, as admitted, we would be in a better place today.

But because partisan politics, and pledges to Grover Norquist are more important than the people, and what is best to the country, I suppose us normal folks have to take the abuse.

You ask as if I like my current president. He is simply better than the other options.


I'm still waiting for the "for the people, by the people part"

So you think me contradictory, because I like the black kenyan in office.

Better than the options sir.

Hypocrite? (does not rhyme with leprosy, kinda a stretch) No, I simply want our rights back, that we bent over and gave them out of fear after 9-11.

Crap like this, the extensions as you mentioned is what makes me believe we are similar to fascist Italy at this point.

But conservatives like the status quo, see my sig on my opinions of how well the status quo works.

Feed the corps, starves the proles. The true southern conservative way.

To think we once freed the slaves, now our government works to make all of slaves to it super PAC benfactors, thanks citizens United decision, a conservative supreme court ruling...

And you wonder why people are forced to democrats?

Give us a viable non partisan choice. No anti tax pledges to Grover Norquist. No backroom dealings with George Soros. For the freaking people, by the people.

or else....


It is our right to change it, regardless of anti protesting laws they may pass. These rights were given to us by our founders, who saw us as free men, not corporate puppets.

So tell us why you hate Obama? I already blew any socialist arguments out the water, it is well established he is as fascist as any (R)...

Sooooo.

Citizens united, while it has crappy consequences, is a correct and sound ruling constitutionally speaking.However, I hate the real world consequences as did the Justices no doubt but that is the difference.The intellectually honest justices(the conservatives) did their job and did not legislate from the bench of vote their political compass, they followed the constitution as a justice is supposed to do, without consideration of what might happen.Liberals were against it and voted against it because in their mind "to hell with the constitution, this might be bad for the process."

Example, I think the catholic church's position on contraception is just outright ignorant of the real world consequences of unwanted pregnancies or too many people in this world, but it is their constitutional right of religious freedom to not offer contraception coverage to their employeesa as well as not having the government try to dictate to them on this issue.Some left leaning judge will no doubt rule against them because of their opinion instead of following the constitution.

[misha1967]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Your point? Maybe if a repub strong congress didn't fillibuster anything that would help the people in order to make the nigg, I uhh mean Barry Soetoro, Err Obama into a one term president, as admitted, we would be in a better place today.

Wow. Touchy, aren't we?

Now, as to the "it's all the Republicans' fault", I'd like to point out to you that from 2008-2010 the Democrats were in firm control of both the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. Those Republicans sure are effective!

No, I don't "hate" Obama, nor do I care one little bit about the color of his skin. I've never cared about anybody's skin color, and I'm not about to start doing so now. You won't find me calling any criticism of Obama "racist".

It'd be much easier for us to fulfill Dr. Martin Luther King's dream about color blindness if certain parties would stop screaming about it all the time.

More importantly: You seem to say that you'd like for our government to return to being a government by the people, of the people and for the people with the consent of the governed?

Great! Welcome aboard! We're absolutely, positively, right on the same side on that one. Absolutely no need for the two of us to be at each other's throats there, because we completely agree.

And, lest you think that I'm just ranting against the Democrats here, which I'm not, let me be the first to say that the Republicans haven't been much better. They're the ones who started off the whole Patriot Act nonsense which mutated from being a way of defending ourselves against further 9/11s into TSA agents molesting us and our children when we try to get on an airplane. The Republicans did nothing to stop that either, as a matter of fact it was a Republican Congress that created the TSA fool agency.

I guess that I'm saying that we, as a people, aren't being served well by either side, and I agree that that needs to change. Both parties are currently two chips off of the same rotten block of wood.

So calm down. We're on the same side here

I must admit I am a little baffled by the claim that "academia is dominated by lefties".

Well perhaps it needs to be put in perspective, leave aside all his previous writing, leave aside all the claims that have gone before, just see what the scope is........

I have list many of these to my pinko-commie professors, nice to see someone gets them published.

OK leave aside that first bit as that might instantly colour your view of whoever posted it....so someone published it...a website which publishes stuff for truthers, birthers, new world order conspiracies, FEMA death camps and incredibly even the mysterious dreaded contrails
But OK hold on maybe its a good article that slipped in with the rest of the crazy crap they published so we shouldn't laugh yet.....its written by a constitutional expert thats good.... who also happens to be an expert on finding....ghosts

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by misha1967

Wow. Touchy, aren't we?

Now, as to the "it's all the Republicans' fault", I'd like to point out to you that from 2008-2010 the Democrats were in firm control of both the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. Those Republicans sure are effective!

No, I don't "hate" Obama, nor do I care one little bit about the color of his skin. I've never cared about anybody's skin color, and I'm not about to start doing so now. You won't find me calling any criticism of Obama "racist".

It'd be much easier for us to fulfill Dr. Martin Luther King's dream about color blindness if certain parties would stop screaming about it all the time.

More importantly: You seem to say that you'd like for our government to return to being a government by the people, of the people and for the people with the consent of the governed?

Great! Welcome aboard! We're absolutely, positively, right on the same side on that one. Absolutely no need for the two of us to be at each other's throats there, because we completely agree.

And, lest you think that I'm just ranting against the Democrats here, which I'm not, let me be the first to say that the Republicans haven't been much better. They're the ones who started off the whole Patriot Act nonsense which mutated from being a way of defending ourselves against further 9/11s into TSA agents molesting us and our children when we try to get on an airplane. The Republicans did nothing to stop that either, as a matter of fact it was a Republican Congress that created the TSA fool agency.

I guess that I'm saying that we, as a people, aren't being served well by either side, and I agree that that needs to change. Both parties are currently two chips off of the same rotten block of wood.

So calm down. We're on the same side here

Please do not take it as if I think R's caused all the problem.

While I think they (R's) caused most of the problem (IMHO sorry), they (dems) are not truly blameless. Perhaps I am wrong. I can admit it if need be.

The D's are a problem too, they represent the same multiple headed Cerberus monster that is eating our countries wealth and prosperity.

It is almost like asking if you want to be hung or crucified, one is fast, the other is slow, both results in your death.

It saddens me that I feel so skeptical about my country. Maybe it is why i seem so revolutionary at times. We can change this.

Edit: This country needs more objective people, than knee jerk voters.

Like how Eddie Murphy got voted into office from simple name recognition in the movie "the Distinguished Gentleman"

Sure it is Hollywood, but too many uninformed voters exist to make that film plausible.