Turkey to join MRBM club

Skybird · 02-01-12, 04:41 PM

With Iran having moved the majority of the key facilities of its nuclear program beyond reach of conventional ammunitions, in installations moved up to several hundred meters into mountains and inside bunkers of steel concrete walls of several meters thickness, it is clear to Israeli insiders and intel sources that Iran can no longer be stopped from having nuclear weapons. Said Israeli sources say that even a full scale aerial war by the US and Israel, waged over several weeks and months, would delay the Iranian success by only 1- 2.5 years. Israeli intel warns against the incalculatable risk of an Israeli air war against Iran. The goivenrment may bnoast with loud words - their specialists now it better. Not to mention the immense risks of doing intense long range air missions over poentially unfirnedly territory, with mid-air refueling leaving any plane extremely vulnerable.

And as I have argued many times, the Iranian bomb will be the starting shot for a new nuclear arms race.

Turkey is out of the blocks now - that was my first thought when reading the news. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, maybe Libya and Syria, will follow.

Welcome to nuclear cold war 2.0 with increased risk level. I predict there will come a time when useful Western idiots will curse they did not have the balls to turn Iran into a burning piece of ashes as long as they still had the opportunity to. Western weakness and hesitation was and is never a virtue. No matter how it is being watched: weakness never is anything else but just weakness, hesitation never is anything else but paralysis caused by fear.

It is too late to prevent Iran by military means to become a bomb owner now. That'S why I oppose any war against Iran by now. I realise since several weeks that the window of oppoirutntiyx for that option has been allowed to close. Those sanctions starting in summer will not change anything. The only alternative would be limited nuclear strikes on certain key facilities, by use of small-scaled nuclear weapons specialised for large-scale bunker busting. And I am also certain that no government in the West has the guts to use them. It's better to have another - far more dangerous - Pakistan.

The last and decisive mistake has been made in the match - by the West, and it is the last weak move in a long series of erratic moves. In fact it was a very dumb, idiotic player playing against the Iranians. While the match will run on for some more moves, the victor already is clear. Iran has won.

"But at least we have tried."

"But we meant it oh so well."

"The bad bad Iranians did not want like we wanted them to want."

"Wouldn't it have been nice if..."

...

SIGH.

Idiots may mess up things because they are idiots. But that they did so because they are idiots, will not make enable them to evade paying the price forbeing idiots. Idiocy doesn't save your from penalty.

CCIP · 02-01-12, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I predict there will come a time when useful Western idiots will curse they did not have the balls to turn Iran into a burning piece of ashes as long as they still had the opportunity to.

Right, because a West that turns countries into 'a burning piece of ashes' at the slightest risk to its own dominance is so strong, wonderful and worth defending - after all, we'd never be so irresponsible as to use our own legally-obtained, internationally-sanctioned destructive might to kill a lot of people.

Oh.
Wait.

Jimbuna · 02-01-12, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Right, because a West that turns countries into 'a burning piece of ashes' at the slightest risk to its own dominance is so strong, wonderful and worth defending - after all, we'd never be so irresponsible as to use our own legally-obtained, internationally-sanctioned destructive might to kill a lot of people.

Oh.
Wait.

^

Takeda Shingen · 02-01-12, 05:03 PM

With some cargo ships, Turkey will soon have the ultimate weapon on their hands. We're through the looking glass, people.

TLAM Strike · 02-01-12, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

With some cargo ships, Turkey will soon have the ultimate weapon on their hands. We're through the looking glass, people.

Cargo Ships? Heck I wouldn't put it past them to build a submarine to deliver them. They have experience driving subs and they have the shipyard that can build them.

Takeda Shingen · 02-01-12, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Cargo Ships? Heck I wouldn't put it past them to build a submarine to deliver them. They have experience driving subs and they have the shipyard that can build them.

Then we're all dead already. I'll be taking my razor and headed to my bathtub. Remember me as a peacemaker.

the_tyrant · 02-02-12, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Right, because a West that turns countries into 'a burning piece of ashes' at the slightest risk to its own dominance is so strong, wonderful and worth defending - after all, we'd never be so irresponsible as to use our own legally-obtained, internationally-sanctioned destructive might to kill a lot of people.

Oh.
Wait.

Oh come on, we all know that politics were never based on morality or ethics

Personally, I am waiting for the moment when politicians finally have the guts to say it out loud. When war can finally be defined correctly as "enforcing our political will on our enemies" and not the "restoring peace and balance" crap

MH · 02-02-12, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Oh come on, we all know that politics were never based on morality or ethics

The enemy or contradicting interests is the key.

Sometimes is for good or bad (bad choices or interests)but overall that is what allows us to live relatively comfortable life while babbling about it.

At the end some of the politicians are chosen to act in the best of interests of your countries.
Not saying that all of them necessary act with those standards but you know...the views may vary.

We are far away yet from being one big happy world community.

August · 02-01-12, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Idiots may mess up things because they are idiots. But that they did so because they are idiots, will not make enable them to evade paying the price forbeing idiots. Idiocy doesn't save your from penalty.

See my sig quote. You can't really complain when someone else of lesser vision does the job that you could have done better.

02-01-12, 04:41 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,682 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	With Iran having moved the majority of the key facilities of its nuclear program beyond reach of conventional ammunitions, in installations moved up to several hundred meters into mountains and inside bunkers of steel concrete walls of several meters thickness, it is clear to Israeli insiders and intel sources that Iran can no longer be stopped from having nuclear weapons. Said Israeli sources say that even a full scale aerial war by the US and Israel, waged over several weeks and months, would delay the Iranian success by only 1- 2.5 years. Israeli intel warns against the incalculatable risk of an Israeli air war against Iran. The goivenrment may bnoast with loud words - their specialists now it better. Not to mention the immense risks of doing intense long range air missions over poentially unfirnedly territory, with mid-air refueling leaving any plane extremely vulnerable. And as I have argued many times, the Iranian bomb will be the starting shot for a new nuclear arms race. Turkey is out of the blocks now - that was my first thought when reading the news. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, maybe Libya and Syria, will follow. Welcome to nuclear cold war 2.0 with increased risk level. I predict there will come a time when useful Western idiots will curse they did not have the balls to turn Iran into a burning piece of ashes as long as they still had the opportunity to. Western weakness and hesitation was and is never a virtue. No matter how it is being watched: weakness never is anything else but just weakness, hesitation never is anything else but paralysis caused by fear. It is too late to prevent Iran by military means to become a bomb owner now. That'S why I oppose any war against Iran by now. I realise since several weeks that the window of oppoirutntiyx for that option has been allowed to close. Those sanctions starting in summer will not change anything. The only alternative would be limited nuclear strikes on certain key facilities, by use of small-scaled nuclear weapons specialised for large-scale bunker busting. And I am also certain that no government in the West has the guts to use them. It's better to have another - far more dangerous - Pakistan. The last and decisive mistake has been made in the match - by the West, and it is the last weak move in a long series of erratic moves. In fact it was a very dumb, idiotic player playing against the Iranians. While the match will run on for some more moves, the victor already is clear. Iran has won. "But at least we have tried." "But we meant it oh so well." "The bad bad Iranians did not want like we wanted them to want." "Wouldn't it have been nice if..." ... SIGH. Idiots may mess up things because they are idiots. But that they did so because they are idiots, will not make enable them to evade paying the price forbeing idiots. Idiocy doesn't save your from penalty. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-01-12 at 04:52 PM.

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02-01-12, 05:03 PM	#4
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	With some cargo ships, Turkey will soon have the ultimate weapon on their hands. We're through the looking glass, people.