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[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Two.

Originally it was four 44 gun and two 38 gun Frigates but three were never completed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origina...ed_States_Navy

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Originally it was four 44 gun and two 38 gun Frigates but three were never completed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origina...ed_States_Navy

Which three were never completed? Constitution, Constellation and United States were the first three. President, the third 44, was certainly completed because she was the one captured by the British. Congress, the second 38, saw good service in the Barbary war and the war of 1812. Chesapeake, the "fourth 44", was the ship captured by HMS Leopard in 1807 in the "impressment" incident I wrote the 200th anniversary article on. She was also the "Don't give up the ship" ship captured in the fight with Shannon.

Further, though Chesapeake is listed as a "44" in the article, the evidence seems to be that this was on paper only. As launched she was actually smaller than the other two 38s, and there is no way she could ever have carried 44 guns. So she was never a "sister" to the three big 44s.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which three were never completed? Constitution, Constellation and United States were the first three. President, the third 44, was certainly completed because she was the one captured by the British. Congress, the second 38, saw good service in the Barbary war and the war of 1812. Chesapeake, the "fourth 44", was the ship captured by HMS Leopard in 1807 in the "impressment" incident I wrote the 200th anniversary article on. She was also the "Don't give up the ship" ship captured in the fight with Shannon.

Further, though Chesapeake is listed as a "44" in the article, the evidence seems to be that this was on paper only. As launched she was actually smaller than the other two 38s, and there is no way she could ever have carried 44 guns. So she was never a "sister" to the three big 44s.

I stand corrected. Apparently they were eventually finished.

[gi_dan2987]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aye, they're not all bad, Liverpudlians, my Nan used to have quite a good few friends up there. Good to hear your Mum found a good bloke.
Speaking of the Royal Navy, HMS Dauntless is heading down to the Falklands. That'll go down well with Buenos Aires.

Yeah he's a good bloke His slang terminology always has me guessing as to what he's saying. The guy talks so fast and with such a thick Liverpool accent that often times I just stare and blink while I try to comprehend. She's happy, otherwise she would be here in the states and not there with him. When I finally make it over there, I want to visit Caernarfon castle and the Royal Welch Fusiliers museum.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which three were never completed? Constitution, Constellation and United States were the first three. President, the third 44, was certainly completed because she was the one captured by the British. Congress, the second 38, saw good service in the Barbary war and the war of 1812. Chesapeake, the "fourth 44", was the ship captured by HMS Leopard in 1807 in the "impressment" incident I wrote the 200th anniversary article on. She was also the "Don't give up the ship" ship captured in the fight with Shannon.

"I have not yet begun to fight!" John Paul Jones, Captain, Commanding USS Bonhomme Richard in action against HMS Serapis at Flambourough Head, 23SEP1779

[soopaman2]

Comparing American fleet at the time of the USS Constitution to the grand navy of Britain is unfair.

Comparing ourselves to a nation who had a 500 year+ head start on us experience wise?

It is arrogant. Fleet to Fleet we would have been crushed. We are lucky France kept most their navy occupied through our infancy

But the Constitution made a statement. Yes, a huge one!

It was one of the early signs that we could stand up on our own as a nation. Small, but so well built, damn hard to sink, and resilient as hell! Just as our nation was at the time.

We have grown since then, and enough time has passed where I can say we have as proud and tested Naval Tradition as Britain.