WW3

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

China will not go to war with it's best customer. It's as simple as that; for the Chinese it always comes down to money. The editorial is full of hoopla.

It's from the Daily Fail Don't get me wrong, Max Hastings has written some good stuff in his time...but he really shouldn't try future predicting and stick to writing about WWII.

Besides, to be honest wouldn't it be WWIV? We're already in WWIII with the 'War on Terror' (TM).

[Platapus]

Old Chucky Dudley Warner once wrote, in 1870, "so true is it that politics makes strange bedfellows".

It is my opinion that economics makes strange bedfellows also.

It is amazing how political, social, and cultural differences between countries can be overlooked when considering profit.

And I don't think this is a bad thing.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

China may not like but can take high losses in lives. America can not. And China probably would fight from a position of numerical superiority - with more and more modern, advanced technology. And while the American army currently may be " battle-hardened", it is also battle-weary, and certainly the US society is also. Not to mention that a war like that costs money. Say, which country is set up better, financially? The one has debts equalling its yearly GDP and loosing global trust, the other does not know where to invest its surplus, and is seen as one of the rising currencies?

On top of that, assuming China would go to war with it's best customer - China, i'm willing to bet, has far greater manufacturing capability then the US does now. Hell, i'll go as far as to say, they have all the manufacturing capability that the US used to have - and that capability was one of the reasons we were successful in WW2.

That said, If we were to go to war with China, id further wager that it wouldn't be for some time - after they've had a decade or three of playing "build up" and "catch up". At which point, give our current circumstances which will only get worse during that time period, I think the only way we'd win that open war with China is if the entire country mobilized like it did in WW2. At which point, said war would either make us (as WW2 did), or break us.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It is amazing how political, social, and cultural differences between countries can be overlooked when considering profit.

And I don't think this is a bad thing.

For all the talk of possible war between China and the US, it pays to consider that the US Navy is probably one of China's greatest economic assets - regarding trade route security.

[Betonov]

If you ask me, a war between China and Russia is more likely. All those raw materials in Siberia, mmmmmmmm

Plus, China is in active trade with the US, like you said, her best customer, while Russia is more of a competitor, trying to break into the market. Especially with energy, Russia has a lot of it and China will soon need it. But Russians won't sell cheap
Plus they share a land border.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It is my opinion that change will come to China but it will come at the Chinese pace not the US pace. Some form of democracy will emerge to the Chinese, but it won't be the same form of democracy as in the US.

Some may consider that a failure, others a success.

Someday Chinese may rule the galaxy ... for now the games go on.
I think that American politics is directed by future perspective its just it may be matter of perspective weather its good one or bad.
On another hand USA as a democracy must look at its domestic problems while realising its plans as strategies.

Unfortunately Max Hastings is long past his "Best Before" date and this essay is just fear-mongering jingoism. There will be no Sino-American shooting war unless the USA wants one and is prepared to start it.

That is not to say there will be all sweetness and light in their relations of course. The real danger lies in the perpetual US election cycle and the political needs of domestic politics for a foreign enemy to focus hyperbole in Congress, the Senate and the media.

Should America decide that it requires continued hegemony in Asia and within what the PRC considers its security sphere, there are certainly potential areas for conflict but none of these are really vital to America's security as they are for China's. The problem is that they be perceived as essential to America's self-image as the Guardian of Freedom and Democracy so U.S. paranoia, rhetoric and propaganda will determine what future crisis' go hot.

[nikimcbee]

everyone likes to make money and buy stuff. .

except the occupy crowd.

[mapuc]

I remember a report on China, some years ago on swedish tv and they said that as the country grows so does it's need for resources to

Some one hade post some pictures of their claim from others countries, such as Japan, Australia a.s.o

If there's gonna be a war between USA and China it will be indirectly.

China goes to was against some neighbor over some resources and that's how USA could get involved.

Markus

[yubba]

So if china get's all war like, who's going to buy thier crappy stuff, look what happen to us.

China is the new kid on the block, and being new wants to make it's mark. Power, the most intoxicating of all mans desires drives this bull, and the bears can only look on.

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Betonov

If you ask me, a war between China and Russia is more likely. All those raw materials in Siberia, mmmmmmmm

Plus, China is in active trade with the US, like you said, her best customer, while Russia is more of a competitor, trying to break into the market. Especially with energy, Russia has a lot of it and China will soon need it. But Russians won't sell cheap
Plus they share a land border.

I believe you are correct. The Russians and the Chinese has been at each others througts since the 60`s. The Russians had more plans for attacking China that the US. China then saw Russia as a bigger threat than the US. Russia and China had many border clashes that the US and USSR never had. If there`s a war between China and Russia, and China is the aggressor and Russia is doing poorly, I do believe that the US will indirectly support Russia.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Karle94

The Russians and the Chinese has been at each others througts since the 60`s.

They have been at each others throat since Genghis rode west.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

They have been at each others throat since Genghis rode west.

Except that Genghis was Mongolian; an entirely seperate ethnic and cultural group from the Chinese.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Except that Genghis was Mongolian; an entirely seperate ethnic and cultural group from the Chinese.

The point is that the "Horde of Asians riding west" is the constant fear of Russia. The Mongolians were the dominate group back then, the Han Chinese are now.